Internal to me is hitting someone so hard that on the inside they know not to fuk with you again.
Okay, just in case there’s any confusion about what I think (assuming anyone cares) -
ANY art can be done in an ‘internal’ fashion if relaxation, rooting, body structure, and efficiency of movement is present.
Possibly only Xingyi, Taiji and Pakua deserve the historical designation ‘internal’ because of their shared background of specifically emphasizing the above principals and the collaboration of relatively early masters of those arts in developing them together.
Thus, ‘internal’ can be both a historical designation and a methodological designation, and when used, the person speaking should be clear about which they mean.
I can’t necessarily speak for other arts designated as ‘external’, but if Royal Dragon thinks boxers are generating power with the limbs, he’s a fucking idiot.
Then again, this is not news.
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“Internal to me is hitting someone so hard that on the inside they know not to fuk with you again”
Brilliant. 
I can’t necessarily speak for other arts designated as ‘external’, but if Royal Dragon thinks boxers are generating power with the limbs, he’s a ****ing idiot.
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You guys need to go see Wai Lun Choi, I obviously can’t explain the difference in the writen word, it’s beyond my abilities. Theres a whole accordian like, expansion - contraction thing going on in internal arts that is just not seen in external arts like Boxing. I don’t know how to describe it so you understand here.
Boxers are external. If they are not generating power with the limbs, than why do they need to lift so many weights?
Also, there are other arts that are internal besides the big three.
You trained with Wai Lun Choi?
Originally posted by Royal Dragon
[B]I can’t necessarily speak for other arts designated as ‘external’, but if Royal Dragon thinks boxers are generating power with the limbs, he’s a ****ing idiot.
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Boxers are external. If they are not generating power with the limbs, than why do they need to lift so many weights?
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Oh Sweet Goodness. :rolleyes:
Well, New YEars break for me, but I wish I could stick around and lmao.
Happy New Year everyone.
Originally posted by Royal Dragon
Boxers are external. If they are not generating power with the limbs, than why do they need to lift so many weights?
Yeah, because internal martial arts don’t ever include stone locks, water bucket carrying, rock pole, and monk spade work in their training. Idiot.
FD, diplomat extraordinaire.
You trained with Wai Lun Choi?
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No, but it’s a goal after seeing him move.
Yeah, because internal martial arts don’t ever include stone locks, water bucket carrying, rock pole, and monk spade work in their training. Idiot.
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Hmmm, sounds predominalty external Shaolin to me. Internal is much lighter.
For the record, I have seen Wai Lun Choi, and while I freely admit his skill, you still have no idea about boxing. None whatsoever.
I’ve tasted good SPM, Xingyi, Taiji, and boxing. Have you?
The petty bickering over external v internal is, well, petty. And quite pointless.
We all know Royce would choke them both out.
I’ve seen enough of all of it to see it moves quite differently and uniquely.
Nothing like sticking your fingers in your ears and hollering to make for a good discussion, eh RD? :rolleyes:
There’s differences in training methodology, but there’s also striking similarities between the “internal” and good boxing, e.g. opening and closing the qua on punches, keeping arms relaxed and loose.
As FatherDog has said, you know NOTHING of boxing if you don’t even know that all punches come from the torso. Boxing and BJJ are all in the hips.
As FatherDog has said, you know NOTHING of boxing if you don’t even know that all punches come from the torso.
I thought that certain jabs were an exception to this, since they aren’t really used for whomping, but rather for measuring distance and finding openings.
Still, that’s a pretty trivial quibble, even if it is true.
Originally posted by Vash
[B]The petty bickering over external v internal is, well, petty. And quite pointless.
We all know Royce would choke them both out. [/B]
Originally posted by Royal Dragon
Because thats what I see happeneing.
perhaps you should open your eyes…
last time i checked, (kick)boxing uses the hips and lower core for most of the power generation on: hooks, elbows, crosses, push kicks/foot jabs, short knees, long knees, round kicks, backfists and … just about everything else.
is what makes a tkd round kick, which is leg-based, second in power comparsion to a thai round kick, which is a whole-lotta-hip.