I came across this sick/sad site: http://spr.igc.org/en/survivorstories/main.html.
Is there anything that can be done about this? I would think this just makes society as a whole more dangerous when these animals get paroled. Can the system be fixed to prevent this?
thats way off topic..has nothing to do with martial media and popular culture.
Can you move it to the off-topic section for me? My mistake.
Baby Anthony linked to Prison Rape!!!
[QUOTE=Faruq;1150849]I came across this sick/sad site: http://spr.igc.org/en/survivorstories/main.html.
Is there anything that can be done about this? I would think this just makes society as a whole more dangerous when these animals get paroled. Can the system be fixed to prevent this?[/QUOTE]
The problem is this sad/sick site:
You are not even scraping the tip of the iceberg of social abuse in North America which continues to get worse and worse as the fascism escalates.
It all comes down to the corruption and fascism of the small group of people who own the wealth, political power and mass media in North America.
Now people can make the connection why 'Baby Anthony was the subject of media scrutiny almost 24/7 for months. The Elite’s Mass Lying Machine directed the publics attention away from the thousands of issues which the public could actually do something about if they were informed, if the public interest had control of the mass media, instead of the economic fascists, and if the public had some ability to organize in the form of a proactive Political party outside the control of the fascist elite.
Nothing can happen if the Elite, a small group of economic fascists have control of the Mass Media.
This is the start point.
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This is a good issue for study: List all of the the most serious social abuses (murders, tortures, repressions, political repression, exploitations, sexual and labour slavery etc etc ad nauseum) either committed by or under the control of the authorities in North America and compare to the issues touted on the MSM , AKA the Mass Lying Machine owned by the economic elite.
Hidden underneath the grave of Baby Anthony, under the obfuscation, the distraction and the encouragement of internecine hatreds, the the two minute hates,the scapegoating, all directed by the Elite’s Media .. is prison abuse, Guatemala, the Chiquita Banana Company, Wounded Knee I &II, Louis Riel and on and on. It’s been going on and being refined since the beginning.
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Democracy did not choose this system. Capitalism has never been consciously and deliberately implemented. This system is neither Capitalism nor Democracy. Those things are elements which have been used and dominated by a parasite - a fascist control class - which existed from the beginnings of our history and has grown to total invasive control.
I’m not sure I really care about that.
Serioulsy, are you looking for some sort of country club prisons?
Do you want us to feel sorry for convicted criminals because they had a rough go once they got inside the prison walls where their sad ass life was leading them because they couldn’t make a good decision?
Everyone in prison is a victim?
I call BS. What about the victims of each of those people who were beaten, robbed, raped, killed, abused at the hands of the criminal?
Seriously, people need to take responsibility and accountability for their actions especially when they know full well what the bloody consequences are.
If anyone has been wrongly accused, convicted and then abused, they have the recourse of suing the ass off the government or court that put them there.
Why are so many people in prison? Because we have the strongest foundation set of rule of law. USA, Canada, Western Europe and Australia lead the way in this respect. Yeah, there’s gonna be errors, like in the case of prison for profit that happens in some states which opens the door for corruption, but to blanket the whole system as bad based on the complaints of convicted criminals?
yeah, you can take that elsewhere. This bank don’t cash that cheque.
What’s with the bleeding hearts boys? Compassion to the weak and needy, not to the vultures, they’re already dead are they not?
The Tao Of ‘Pooh pooh’
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1151270]I’m not sure I really care about that.
Seriously, are you looking for some sort of country club prisons?
Do you want us to feel sorry for convicted criminals because they had a rough go once they got inside the prison walls where their sad ass life was leading them because they couldn’t make a good decision?
Everyone in prison is a victim?
I call BS. What about the victims of each of those people who were beaten, robbed, raped, killed, abused at the hands of the criminal?
Seriously, people need to take responsibility and accountability for their actions especially when they know full well what the bloody consequences are.
If anyone has been wrongly accused, convicted and then abused, they have the recourse of suing the ass off the government or court that put them there.
Why are so many people in prison? Because we have the strongest foundation set of rule of law. USA, Canada, Western Europe and Australia lead the way in this respect. Yeah, there’s gonna be errors, like in the case of prison for profit that happens in some states which opens the door for corruption, but to blanket the whole system as bad based on the complaints of convicted criminals?
yeah, you can take that elsewhere. This bank don’t cash that cheque.
What’s with the bleeding hearts boys? Compassion to the weak and needy, not to the vultures, they’re already dead are they not?[/QUOTE]
Ah We’ve found a class of Jameson’s’ System Scapegoats. All Joy to his Big Brother The Canadian System. It’s one of the things the Fascist elite encourages - that of the ‘criminals’ to deflect attention from social reform.
The people are encouraged to find somebody to hate - any body except the fascist owners of the system.
So anybody convicted of anything,they are all ‘the hated CRIMINALS!!!’ let them all be brutalized raped and murdered. Who the heck cares!
But why doesn’t Jamieson just advocate executing all criminals -surely it would save a lot more problems and money etc? Isn’t that the logical outcome of such and attitude.
I don’t really think you are being protective of society. You don’t make sense. If you execute a thief then society is safe, but if you insist on keeping them alive , then exposing them to brutality, beatings, sodomy, rapes etc and and THEN re-releasing them into society…seems to be very dangerous for society. Instead of rehabilitating someone, you’ve probably created a ruthless brutal conscienceless criminal - something like the people who run Canada.
Doesn’t seem to practically smart.
Why are so many people in prison?
Because your system, and the ones your pointed out, the systems run by the fascist elites creates the majority of these 'criminals". Only a very few of them are there because of genetic disposition or would be as such in any system - most are the products of the system inculcated by the system to become criminals.
And probably , you yourself, in you daily attitudes and your actions in your life help to create a world which creates these criminals.
But not necessarily, it depends on if any individual blindly supports the ‘system’ or not. The system and it’s victims are part of a Taoist interchange. Only seeing how it works can someone rise above it.
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The entire physical, social and economic environment of Canada is created by economic fascists. The education and formation of criminals has been created by them. In fact creating a criminal class which is at war with a working class is great for the economic fascists. It creates an internecine environment which prevents the population form rebelling agaisnt the fascist leadership.
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The greater percentage of convicted criminals are the victims of economic repression. The law enforces the system which enforces the economic repression of the elite. Economic repression is enforced by the elite to give them power over the masses.
We have many of the wrong ‘criminals’ in jail the real criminals are the fascists and their enforcer system dogs who run the economic system -they are the ones who need tot be raped, beaten and murdered in prison.
They have done more that repress the people and rob the people of their wealth - they have halted the evolutionary progression of humanity and brought upon civilization a great Dark Age.
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If anyone has been wrongly accused, convicted and then abused, they have the recourse of suing the ass off the government or court that put them there.
:rolleyes:
And… JUSTICE FOR ALL! .. let start with Louis Riel how far did he get with suing the government before they hung him? How about the G20 protesters that have been tortured, brutalized and suppressed into silence. That’s starting from the top.. the ordinary stories are mostly buiried…and on and on
But hey! don’t let the investigation of reality interfere with nationalistic rhetoric. :rolleyes:
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In the blink of an eye, you can find yourself on the other side Jamieson. But of course you are innocent, I know you are innocent. I sympathize, I really do.
And I don’t mean just prison. I mean any form of social abuse by the fascist system rulers of Canada.
But not me! , you will protest! ‘I am not one of them!’
But you didn’t know! Everybody is one of them.
Unless you are of course one of the nobility.
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Oh the hurt. You gave them your loyalty and they didn’t care. So many people find this out one way or another and usually too late.
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If you get caught in the wheels of the system, I recommend self euthanasia. Suicide is painless.
Unfortunately weeding out those who cherish freedom , evolutionarily creates a slave class for the fascists ..but who know? maybe after 100,000 years the contradictions in their system will burn them out…
Get re-incarnated after several hundred millennia and check in again.
Fascism and Social Identity Manipulation
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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1150176]That word “fascist” that you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means…[/QUOTE]
Or in direct honest speech you deny your country is fascist.
How would you know what fascism is what your country is like? You don’t want to know.
You have a one party ruling class to which the individual is subjected to state control. Didn’t you know that? The entire subject population has no control of their economics or political future or all such attempts are being thwarted.
You have a mass propaganda machine owned by the rulers of your system. How can your country be anything but fascist?
You do not select any of your politicians, they are all prepared and groomed for public office by the elite. No one gets elected without corporate funding to pay the mass media , owned by the elite. and the corporations are run by the elite.
One people, one country, one system, one ruling class, one Canada. (and it’s not yours.)
‘The system’, the ‘way of life’ which everyone was told through indoctrination since birth: was wonderful, cannot be changed, and there is no alternative. The System which is never mentioned or examined in the Mass Media and so becomes invisible.
The insanity of having elections and never looking at, critically analyzing or even mentioning the ruling class that owns the wealth and never examining the relations between the ruling class and the political parties.
The ruling class in all of North America seems to be still in the process of nullifying reformist elements so you still have a chance to counter them, they have not yet achieved complete power.
The G20 and wall street protests have been successfully nullified - alternative nascent political parties seem to have been stopped, stillborn.
Obama maintained the Health Uncaring System. The insurance companies have not been dismantled. What Obama accomplished was to misdirect and nullify the reformist energy of the people. He replicated what the Clintons did years earlier.
This fascist system uses both ‘jackboot’ and Psychological controls. Sometimes one more than the other depending on the current situation.
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True it is not yet a totalitarian system, it seems to be approaching so but as yet until the singularity occurs we can only call it fascist.
How about this? Give an index of fascism equivalent to wealth ownership or Wealth control by the elite? shall be we say 90%, 95% 99% ? How to judge?
‘With Great Power comes Great Slavery’ - without economic ownership there can be no political or personal freedom.
You have an inculcated identity dysfunction - an indoctrinated nationalism which serves no function to the larger society and only is of use to the elite of your country. You have trumpeted it all over this forum so it’s not as if I’m hauling you out from under a culvert to be subject to critical analysis.
Someone indoctrinated this way cannot separate their identity form the image of their country IE Canada. Canada is ‘Team Canada’ , if it ‘scores a goal’ - they feel good, if it ‘loses’ they feel bad. Someone who has their identity independent does not make their happiness depend on what an outside image looks like.
Other people can live in Canada and be happy and still regard Canada as a cesspool. The thing observed is not the observer.
This method of indoctrination relies on emotional transference. The good feelings one has towards ones family or home environ are transferred and broadened and merged with other things. The family is the state, the leader is the Party.
Interesting when the Party does not appear to have a single leader who becomes the ‘leader symbol’ - someone yet to emerge or do we have a substitute, or collection of substitutes?
Of course, dis-identification and self-separation is the cure for false identifications.
Try this mantra:
“I am Not Canada, I am not my Country”
The Beavers are not Canada, the Rockies are not Canada
There is no country, there are no races! All humans are one!
I will empower my own life, think my own thought and I will not let others manipulate me!!
Repeat daily…
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Something like that - I got to work on a good one…
Some kinds of Nationalism are constructive - like when being at war -then the soldier DOES represent all the country, all the groups and people in the country in a fight for survival. Culture is the same - it can be benign or it can be disconcertingly.. It depends how it is used.
In this case nationalistic identity is being used to manipulate the individual for State control.
The nationalist becomes like a crack addict, they must have more and more of it, they else their ability to empower themselves from genuine self-effort. They can easily be manipulated form outside
Canada won the Heejeebees! - They feel wonderful.
Canad lost! They feel bad.
Canada didn’t’ get the oil contract. - They feel bad even though it was only the Oil moguls that would have gotten rich and used that wealth to repress ordinary Canadians.
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We can make it up. Any story - true or untrue and manipulate the identified person,
The person has an identity attached to an illusion.
The illusion takes precedence.
In truth if all Canadians were murdered it would not matter so long as the illusion is not tarnished.. they would just fob off the murders and deny they happened!
Anything to maintain the illusion and get the Joy-Fix of saying
Canada(Insert anything here) is Wonderful … therefore I am wonderful!!
Hooray for me and the heck with reality!!!
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One day I wold hope this basic identity theory would be taught and understood in Grade school. It would threaten all religion, and all fascist groups of all kinds because this kind of thinking dis-empowers all those who seek to control us. This is the reason this basic and obvious knowledge is never taught in public education. This idea of identity and self empowerment is the basis of human freedom.
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When other have complaints about the system, Jameson - you tell them to ‘stop complaining’ it. ‘They never had it so good’ the idea of actually listening to complaints. listening to the experiences of others and reforming the system, addressing complaints - doesn’t enter into your lexicon.It can’t . It means threatening the image of the system and therefore threatening your ego with destruction.
You cannot possible know anything about the people in your country. Not in a holistic way - only in scattered intellectual fragments. You have opinions based on Rhetoric and the political indoctrination of Nationalism. You didn’t investigate these prisoners stories - you don’t want to - it’s the same attitude and method you have towards all the stories and narratives of the people in your country. You don’t want to know - you have your conclusions and your rhetoric to support. Your ego identification with your country trumps all things.
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Your indoctrinated nationalism gives you a zero ability to receive or empathize with the shared narrative of others. I can probably rattle off hundreds of things about your country that you will never know, that you can’t know that you don’t want to know that you will never look to investigate.
How deep are the lies in your system ? You can never know. You have to challenge the existing state of affairs with critical investigative thought without agenda. You have to challenge the medium that delivers the lies and be willing to challenge it.
Reality cannot be allowed with the image and glory of basking in Nationalistic identity.
As previously posted by you, if anyone posts something about ills happening to people who happen to be in Canada, your first reaction is to identify the country of the person who made the comment and to attack the image of that country.
If the other person is not identified with their country, the attack doesn’t mean anything - you just come across as rather bizarre or irrelevant - but you can’t understand that because you are tied to the level of ego identified nationalism.
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So the image, the rhetoric is your prime importance, the people are nothing but pawns to your ego identification.
Then you fob off the actual circumstances of whatever was pointed out.
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There are many ways how people are indoctrinated into support of fascists systems. Some are open payoffs, some are subliminal payoffs in which the person makes a kind of 'contract ’ with the state in which they are barely aware ..
Something like - 'just give me this, and you can do whatever you (the fascists) want to the others and I will support you’etc etc.
I recommend reading “Never Let Me Go” by Kazuo Ishiguro, as a good study of the psychology of how people will refuse to rebel agaisnt and actually support a system that is literally tearing their insides out.
Most of you, that I have noticed, on these boards will find yourselves there.
Its just a rough job, my attempt to explain these things here it requires a book or two.But it’s a good enough introduction. I think it is about all the effort I will make.
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To just do nothing or to do your best for your life is to empower the system.
The system is internecine and other destructive for the majority. Your own success makes the fascists stronger and can will make life worse for yourself later on or worse for others.
Political activism is a good path or so is getting off the grid. Those who stay in the machine without question, without understanding what it is, are most likely to be ground up by it.
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It depends entirely on which prison.
Some prisons are horrible and some are like summer camp without girls(if you’re broke).
The Solution!
I say we adopt the Dutch system where every prisoner receives emotional therapy, and the recidivism rate is only 3%. Oh yeah though, then the prison industry’d go broke. Sorry, silly me…
There has to be some provision for reintegrating criminals into society. The idea of locking people up permanently or without a chance to become reestablished is unsustainable. Some people actually regret what they’ve done, and if you set them up for failure, you’ve helped create a career criminal.
I recall during an anthropology course that western civilization is more preoccupied with punishing people for crimes than actually fixing the problem. I tend to agree.
[QUOTE=Drake;1151737]There has to be some provision for reintegrating criminals into society. The idea of locking people up permanently or without a chance to become reestablished is unsustainable. Some people actually regret what they’ve done, and if you set them up for failure, you’ve helped create a career criminal.
I recall during an anthropology course that western civilization is more preoccupied with punishing people for crimes than actually fixing the problem. I tend to agree.[/QUOTE]
You are correct that there is a need for reintegration process. Or “rehabilitation” which is not apparent in the current crime and punishment system in North America, but IS at play in Northern Europe where they are seeing great success.
The problem in North America as I see it is this:
(The last one is strange especially in context to the so called “Christians” who support that thinking)
That’s some real talk there.
[QUOTE=Faruq;1150849]I came across this sick/sad site: http://spr.igc.org/en/survivorstories/main.html.
Is there anything that can be done about this? I would think this just makes society as a whole more dangerous when these animals get paroled. Can the system be fixed to prevent this?[/QUOTE]
of course it can, start with taking away all free weights. They are outlawed. leave them to use their own bodyweight.
Take the drugs out of prison. as well as the steroids.
There are more drugs in than out of prison, WTF?
People that are in prison for life should be removed, destroyed and their remains used for drug trials, experiments etc rather than cost the US Taxpayer over 100,000 per inmate per year.
They have better healthcare than I do, yet I never broke any laws.
They have better food that is free, I dont get free food nor free health care.
They seem to have more rights than the people they robbed, killed, raped, murdered, ate, etc.
Time to get real about it.
Life in prison is a joke. There should be no one in prison for life, as that means you are to be removed from the mortal coil.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1151270]I’m not sure I really care about that.
Serioulsy, are you looking for some sort of country club prisons?
Do you want us to feel sorry for convicted criminals because they had a rough go once they got inside the prison walls where their sad ass life was leading them because they couldn’t make a good decision?
Everyone in prison is a victim?
I call BS. What about the victims of each of those people who were beaten, robbed, raped, killed, abused at the hands of the criminal?
Seriously, people need to take responsibility and accountability for their actions especially when they know full well what the bloody consequences are.
If anyone has been wrongly accused, convicted and then abused, they have the recourse of suing the ass off the government or court that put them there.
Why are so many people in prison? Because we have the strongest foundation set of rule of law. USA, Canada, Western Europe and Australia lead the way in this respect. Yeah, there’s gonna be errors, like in the case of prison for profit that happens in some states which opens the door for corruption, but to blanket the whole system as bad based on the complaints of convicted criminals?
yeah, you can take that elsewhere. This bank don’t cash that cheque.
What’s with the bleeding hearts boys? Compassion to the weak and needy, not to the vultures, they’re already dead are they not?[/QUOTE]
In canada, about 85% of the prison polulation are there for either drug offences or some sort of theft or scam to get money for dope. It’s mostly junkies up in there. More adequate drug counselling would make a real difference. On the inside and the outside. So I wouldn’t go as far as calling them all “victims”, I would say that they aren’t all evil people. The statistics tell the whole story to anyone caring enough to look.
I don’t waste my time feeling sorry for junkies, but I do feel that more needs to be done to help stop the spread of something this infectious. For every middle class educated druggie reject, there are 100 poor marginalized people who had a very high chance of ending up a junkie from the get-go. I see this as a social problem. All the legalities are simply effects of this massive social ill. For the other 15% filling those cells, well they can cease to exist for all I care. My hope is that one day we can severly reduce the prison poluation by stemming these issues before they get out of control. I have tons of suggestions. I’m not just whining. Of course when a crime occurs, it must be dealt with. But this isn’t a black and white issue by any means. But why are you so willing to just ignore the whole thing cause most people did infact commit a crime to get there? Do you not see how easy it would be to reduce the amount of crime? We have had the answers for a long time. We just don’t wanna pay for them. We’d rather spend 3 times as much caging people up and pretending like we’re all good. Fukcing blinders, so annoying. Ignorance may be bliss but only a true as$hole wants to achieve happiness that way. Even worse is the fact that it’s simply a natural state of thought for most people. baaaah baaaah baaahh. sheep.
And while I’m on about it, I may as well bring up the fact that as a society we are becoming far too dependant on pharmaceuticals. I’m not saying all drugs are bad, and I’m glad we have what we have. I’m just saying it will be a problem in the reletively near future. I see it clear as day.
And why don’t these crime and punishment cats go after the white collars that just ripped off the american taxpayer for a s1tload of paper. A junie goes to prison for holding, but an executive that rips off 4 mill seems to just fade away. It will just keep happening opver and over again untril there are some real consequences. Where are all these so called righteous mu’fukcas on this one?
[QUOTE=Drake;1151737]There has to be some provision for reintegrating criminals into society. The idea of locking people up permanently or without a chance to become reestablished is unsustainable. Some people actually regret what they’ve done, and if you set them up for failure, you’ve helped create a career criminal.
I recall during an anthropology course that western civilization is more preoccupied with punishing people for crimes than actually fixing the problem. I tend to agree.[/QUOTE]
you learn more about crime in prison than anywhere else. Without proper re-integration it’s not hard to understand why so many re-offend. Especially since it’s usually drug related and those issues aren’t properly dealt with.
In Brazil there were the agricultural prisons, in which the inmates had to work in the fields in order to grow their own food; the surplus was either stocked or sold. Prisioners were also taught a trade, generally something related to leather or metal working. The idea behind it was similar to the russian prison you read about in Memoirs of The house of the Dead, now that I come to think about it.
Such systems, although not perfect, are more suited to the purpuse of reintegrating offenders than the current “sit-on-your-ass” play going on in many prisons today. I can’t be certain, but I suspect that giving inmates some hard work would also decrease the rampant violence that goes on inside prisons.
As for the constant beatings and the rapes, I can’t help but feel bad for those people; nobody truly deserves that. I don’t believe most of the people who are incarcerated are emotionless psychopathic beasts that some make them out to be, and, even if they were, such a painful existence should not be supported by the public order - its simply not ethical nor socially useful.
[QUOTE=Sardinkahnikov;1151823]As for the constant beatings and the rapes, I can’t help but feel bad for those people; nobody truly deserves that.[/QUOTE]
And how is a person subject to that daily going to be when released?
[QUOTE=Dale Dugas;1151794]of course it can, start with taking away all free weights. They are outlawed. leave them to use their own bodyweight.
Take the drugs out of prison. as well as the steroids.
There are more drugs in than out of prison, WTF?
People that are in prison for life should be removed, destroyed and their remains used for drug trials, experiments etc rather than cost the US Taxpayer over 100,000 per inmate per year.
They have better healthcare than I do, yet I never broke any laws.
They have better food that is free, I dont get free food nor free health care.
They seem to have more rights than the people they robbed, killed, raped, murdered, ate, etc.
Time to get real about it.
Life in prison is a joke. There should be no one in prison for life, as that means you are to be removed from the mortal coil.[/QUOTE]
Great insight, Dale! I agree, except I hear the food sucks, lol. But it is free though…
[QUOTE=Faruq;1151923]And how is a person subject to that daily going to be when released?[/QUOTE]
Dahmer…
[QUOTE=Faruq;1151924]Great insight, Dale! I agree, except I hear the food sucks, lol. But it is free though…[/QUOTE]
yeah but a sentence for life is not a death sentence. otherwise why not just have more capital punishment.
what if they didn’t do it? usually they did, but some didn’t.