Darkfist, does your Shuai-shou make use of the hand position I described earlier in which the the index and ring fingers are raised above the others? Just curious. 
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hmm i dont supose you could take a pick of the hands for me because im just not sure of the context in which you speak? mantis claws? fighting stance? strikes?
hands
hmm i dont suppose you could take a pick of the hands for me because im just not sure of the context in which you speak? mantis claws? fighting stance? strikes?
hands
hmm i dont suppose you could take a pic of the hands for me because im just not sure of the context in which you speak? mantis claws? fighting stance? strikes?
hands
hmm i dont suppose you could take a pic of the hands for me because im just not sure of the context in which you speak? mantis claws? fighting stance? strikes?
Put a chopstick or pencil over your middle finger and pinky but under your index and ring fingers. Remove the chopstick without moving your fingers and you’ve basically got the position I’m talking about. The wrists are bent, but the thumb is more splayed than the usual diao-shou. You’re supposed to be able to use this position to perform dianxue-like strikes by pinching meridians between the index and ring fingers.
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here is the pick of hands i use
But that is just the regular PM diao-shou, correct? Is there not another hand position specific to Shuai-shou? Is the Shuai-shou you practice a part of 7*? I had thought it was an advanced form of Chang-quan PM, but Chang-quan PM is apparently just an amalgam of Meihua and 7*? Does not Shuai-shou have its own set of taolu? You say you do some Shuai-shou in your demonstration, but shouldn’t it be a shuai-shou set or not? If not, what makes what you do in the form “shuai-shou” specifically? Is not a Shuai-shou a substyle all its own as opposed to a type of move like gou-lou-cai?
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yes yes yes and yes, no Just kidding. As an applications focused teacher the only concentration on internal power i use is fajing or chi in strikes throws etc. I do not know accupuncture and do not have the time to learn it nor do i wish to. so as far meridian pinching and complicated techniques such as this im afraid i will not be much help.
As far as my demonstration, thats just it it is my demonstration so i did mix it up and i had fun.
Shuai Shou that i was taught only has 3 forms and yes it could be considered a sub style (although i dont consider it) because other than the emphasis on whipping arms, power generation and now the Mysterious meridian thing i fail to see a great big difference in it and 7 star.
it sounds like you are from the same area of the world as my master so the lineage should be real easy for you to document. I will tell you that some of the advanced forms in our system are heavily influenced by other styles its all very complicated. If you can sort it out let me know, all i know is what im told until i get a chance to research more (i am planning to do this when i get old) i only have time to train now.
Hi Darkfist
Could you tell us the name of the the 3 forms?
Thanks
hmmm
your gonna make me make a fool of myself in an attempt to spell these things?
ok here it doesnt go Zai Que, cha chuan, tang lang hand? thats the best i can do guys i can say them but god help me i cant spell em.
James
I think the ones my Shifu teaches are just called Shuai-shou Yilu, Shuai-shou Erlu… (Hand-throwing Set One, Hand Throwing Set Two…) up to set six.
Don’t mean to offend but that sure sounds a lot like Zhai Yao roads 1 to 6.
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Hello
no offense taken ever, actually we do have xixing zai yao 1-8 haowever this somthing totally different. and i know i spelled them totally wrong so there is no point in further discussion. I will just suffice to say that i alwys asked for substyle specification from my master and that word came up for the three forms.
sorry i am of no help.
of course i never asked for spelling and wouldnt remember if i did, i am trying to learn the actual characters instead it will be easier for me since it is the real language and i can separate it from english
Sifu Darkfist
I was referencing the post by onyomi. Should have quoted it in my response I guess.
That sounds, to me, very much like Zai Yao 1 to 6. Could just be an error in pronunciation. Maybe if onyomi could post a short clip it would make sense.
BTW, you say you have Zai Yao 1 to 8? It’s been posted here that road 7 is groundfighting. What is road 8?
Nope, I read the list of PM forms he teaches on his webpage. He has Yilu Zhaiyao-quan through Liulu Zhaiyao-quan, Yilu through Liulu Mimen and then also the Shuai-shou forms I mentioned. Just because they each have six forms doesn’t mean they’re the same.