I just picked up a copy of “Shaolin Chin Na” by Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming. I was wondering if there are any books on Anti-Chin Na? I was going over some of the locks on my Mom’s boyfriend, and got to thinking. If I made the mistake of letting myself be put in these locks, how would I go about getting out of these. Mainly the ones where you have the arm locked behind the body like in White Crane Bores the Bush.
yeah there are reversals and reversals of reversals,
if ppl know what they’re doing it can go on for a while…
beautiful to watch though. i dunno if there are books dealing with reversals specifically, once you have a comprehensive understanding of chin na, reversals should come intuitively though, but u gotta know it like you know your name , and you gotta know how it feels being used on you and you using it on other body types.
I think Wing Lam has a video in their Eagle Claw series called “Breaking Locks Fist” form or something like that. I don’t know anything about it, but my point is there are probably techniques devised somewhere to get out of locks. The book didn’t show any counters?
no. its a comprehensive (as fuck) overview of Chin Na and its applications and theories
A great book, BTW.
I can’t recommend any good books for you. But don’t over complicate joint locking techniques. Quite simply, there are only 2 ways to apply joint locking techniques. Either shorten the distance in between 2 joints or lengthen it. Obviously, the counter or defense is to do the opposite. When someone tries to shorten the distance you lengthen the distance. But once a good “chin na” man has the joint locked, you’re done.
Joint locks are only one small part of Chin Na.
reversal for chin na is another chin na, thats just to keep it easy.
check these out:
www.bath-taichi.co.uk/video/pushhands1.wmv
Originally posted by Shaolinlueb
reversal for chin na is another chin na, thats just to keep it easy.
This is correct. The techniques for reversing chin na should be taught within chin na.
Since Chin Na counters Chin Na, what would be a good counter to White Crane Bores the Bush?
Originally posted by CaptinPickAxe
Since Chin Na counters Chin Na, what would be a good counter to White Crane Bores the Bush?
Probably “White Eyebrow Plows the Boar.” 
:eek: 
On another note, Chin Na bows before the awesome power of Tui Te!
Originally posted by CaptinPickAxe
Since Chin Na counters Chin Na, what would be a good counter to White Crane Bores the Bush?
I hear a lot of things, not just white cranes, bore president Bush
Seriously though, can you describe the move?
you grab the fingers pushing them back. As you step in, you push the elbow up and and force the arm behind thier back. the other hand grabs the hair or the trap or the neck or so one. Basically you have thier arm behind their back and another hand free to grab specific points.
heres a pic:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/094087136X/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-1964916-5644943#reader-link
I see.
Well, a lot of the chin na counters are based on acting before the lock has been completed. To get out of that particular hold once it is sunk in, expect to lose some hair 
If you can act beforehand, ideally you want to avoid getting your fingers locked, otherwise reverse the lock before they grab hold of your hair by stepping around and freeing the arm (in terms of the picture, the guy should step clockwise).
as with any lock…don’t let him get that far.
it is a good book, go back to his first book on the subject
and he talks about basic dissolving skills to escape earlier
otherwise:
step through with your right leg, box hips and attempt to face him
your arm is being torqued that direction and it will help alleviate the stress and maybe he’ll slip enough for you to get it out
I own that book.
great book right, phrost. I plan on picking up Taiji Chin Na after I spend some time with this one…Any input as to how to escape said move if your unlucky enough to have it applied to you?
Originally posted by CaptinPickAxe
[B]you grab the fingers pushing them back. As you step in, you push the elbow up and and force the arm behind thier back. the other hand grabs the hair or the trap or the neck or so one. Basically you have thier arm behind their back and another hand free to grab specific points.
heres a pic:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/094087136X/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-1964916-5644943#reader-link [/B]
I may be wrong, but I think in that case I’d probably throw him over my shoulder or go into a roll if he didn’t have control of my spine…chin na counters chin na…yes…but so do other things…I guess it would depend on where and how he was positioned exactly after he executed his move
Originally posted by blooming lotus
[B]
I may be wrong, but I think in that case I’d probably throw him over my shoulder or go into a roll if he didn’t have control of my spine…chin na counters chin na…yes…but so do other things…I guess it would depend on where and how he was positioned exactly after he executed his move [/B]
Sorry, I am having trouble picturing this counter. So your opponent locks your fingers and locks your arm up your back. How would you throw them over your shoulder or execute a roll from there?
especially w/o breaking every bone in the locked arm…its designed to break bone and tear ligament form bone…I think I’d tap out…or beg for the safety of my arm.
I’ve been practicing two chin na moves and racking my brain on how to get out of them. Its fairly simple stopping the advancing application (@50% speed, and with the theory Count pointed out), but still no ideas as how to get out except for profusely appoligizing to the superior Chin Na practioner. I’ve decided I’m gonna work White Crane Bores the Bush and Small Finger Hook and thier variations untill I’ve gotten them pretty good. Adding two at a time, untill I’m done with the book.