Here is a question:
My Kung Fu brother who was a student of Grandmaster Chan Kwok Wai in Brazil taught me a few sets from Bak Siu Lum (Northern Shaolin), I found it interesting that their forms begin and end in the same spot.
My question to my Clf brothers is, when you begin and end your forms are you in the same spot? I know this not really important, but I have not heard from any of you guys in a while, maybe this will start some good discussion.
Peace,
Joe Keit
www.leekoonhungkungfu.com
Yes, for competition purposes, all patterns end in the same beginning/end spot.
nospam.
Hi Sow Choy,
All the sets that I know, if done properly, will end in the same spot they begin. Sometimes they end facing a different way from the way your facing when you begin, but that is only a couple of sets.
Dutch
Yes, all my sets start and end in the same spot. Oddly enough I have trouble getting Fu-Pow Kuen to end in the same spot. I always end up a little bit right of center.
Peace
Hi Sow Choy and everyone else.
First of all, seasons greetings to you all.
I am not really experienced enough to talk, but in my country, there used to be a rule set by the Wushu governing body that said all traditional style forms must begin and end in the same spot. This was also the rule for forms such as Nan Chuan etc (Nan Chuan was clasified as traditional and not modern Wushu).
It did pose a slight problem, and there were some masters from China who apposed this rule. Some forms that they were teaching did not begin and end at the same spot. As far as I know, this rule was waved at the Wushu body for time being.
I am glad you asked this, because I was wondering if they had this rule in the tournaments in the USA. Will you get penelised if you dont stick to it?
Have a good new year everyone 
We must notice that traditional styles of kung fu are not meant for competition and exhibition, but to effectively defend yourself.
Therefore, some forms may not end at the begining spot, specially the forms that are meant to teach how to react against multiple oponnents, in which the most important thing is movement through the eight directions (Bagua).
Peace.
Hello
Thank you everybody for your replies. CLFwolf, I agree with you. But I believe forms go beyond fighting, why make a pattern that puts you somewhere else? Just wanted to see the significance in your replies. Ba Gua has 8 changes, not sure if each change is done in a certain spot or not but it could be significant.
Some of our forms end in a different spot, but our foootwork is fast and steps in a great deal, so it could be that we take different steps that make us end in a different spot.
Not a very important post, just wanted to hear your comments.
Happy New Year!
I am a CLF practitioner and quite a few of our forms do not end in the same spot as they begin. This goes for so-called “fighting sets” as well as sets that begin and end with a salutation. Even allowing for individual differences in stride, stance width, etc., many still end in a different spot.
Personally, so long as all the elements of the set are present and performed correctly, whether a set ends where it began or not is a very minor concern to me.
Jim
Hello,
While practicing today, I was goin through the motions very loosely just to remember the 50 plus forms I have learned. I realized that the shorter sets, siu sup gee and siu ping kuen were some of the ones when I did full speed ended differently. The longer forms seem to end in the same spot.
But it seems so strange that when I practice the Bak Siu Lum set it always ends in the excact same place, strange! It seems mathmatically correct. Oh well, again not that important.
Peace,
Joe
choy lay fut buk sing
In choy lay fut buk sing are forms do not finish where they started :o
Sow Choy:
The reason that Siu Sup Gee and Siu Ping Kuen don’t finish in the same place is because they are just shortened versions of the real forms (Dai Sup Gee and Dai Ping Kuen), which generally do end in the same spot. When you do all of the forms with the full beginnings they do generally end in the same spot.
Peace.
I think CLF Nole is right. If you do the Siu Sup Jee then you will end up behind your starting point. If you do the whole set you will end up on target
But for Siu Ping Kuen I think you’d end up in the right spot. I can’t say for sure because I don’t know Dai Ping Kuen.
BTW, is there something secret about Dai Ping Kuen? For some reason my Sifu only teaches the Siu Ping Kuen. I asked him about Dai Ping Kuen and he was kind of dismissive.
Our Siu Ping Kuen ends with Chun/dragon stance, turn around/Sao Choy, Step forward to dragon stance/backward gwa choy, uncoil/chun la, step behind dragon/poon la, lok gwai ma/cheung ahn choy, kou ma/sa sau, lip so gin lai, hop ma gwa , sou se.
Is this the end of the form you guys know as Siu Ping Kuen?
I think it really doesn’t matter. Question for any of you. Are you actually able to defend yourselves. For most of you, I highly doubt it. but hey, keep practicing your forms.
CLFNole or people have been saying Noble,
Funny about your creen name lately. I know they are shortened, we are classmates.
Fu Pow, I believe we end the same.
Bad Frog,
This is just an unimportant post, we can post unimportant things from time to time? As for fighting, I enjoy that more than forms, and alot of CLF people I know usually dominate in the ring.
peace
Joe,
I think people are beginning to realize just how “Noble” I am. LOL
Peace.
CLFNole or CLFNoble,
I think if people sit in front of the computer long enough Nole turns into Noble.
I say we call you CLFHandsome Oi!!!
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Miss ya man! We got to go to Hiro’s soon for some Japanese!
Handsome Joe:cool:
P.S.
FIRE UP THE GUNS! baby
sow choy, I have never heard of you in the tournament FIGHTING arena. As far as clf goes, I have never heard of anyone winning a tournament in fighting. I could be wrong. Maybe it is just your school that doesn’t win much. Don’t fret, you guys have nice forms.
Hey Froggy,
Who are you anyway? What have you done? Not that I really care. The last tournament I was in was Tournament 2000, fought 5 times, the last I was disqualified. We always have alot of fighters, who are very sucessfull, especially the women.
Won Grand Champion of the event.
But, it really doesn’t matter, I enjoy sparring with my friends alot more.
I never heard of tournament 2000. Do you plan on competiing again. I would like to see you fight. I went to your web site and it said you were the head instructor. You must be really tough then. Question, who is Li Siu Hung? I have heard of Lee Koon Hung, but not him. Where is Lee Koon Hung?
I suggest that before everyone gets all upset that we just ignore this schmoe, he’s obviously trying to stir up trouble.
Why don’t you get a life, buttfrog?