Aikido worked

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Eighty Nine

Even the most powerful human being has a limited sphere of strength. Draw him outside of that sphere and into your own, and his strength will dissipate.

Eighty Five

When attacked, unify the upper, middle, and lower parts of your body. Enter, turn,
and blend with your opponent, front and back, right and left.

Eighty Two

There are two type of ki: ordinary ki and true ki. Ordinary ki is coarse and heavy; true ki is light and versatile. In order to perform well, you have to liberate yourself from ordinary ki and permeate your organs with true ki. That is the basis of powerful technique.

Eighty One

In our techniques we enter completely into, blend totally with, and control firmly an attack. Strength resides where one’s ki is concentrated and stable; confusion and maliciousness arise when ki stagnates.

Sixty Five

When an opponent comes forward, move in and greet him; if he wants to pull back, send him on his way.

Sixty Three

The techniques of the Art of Peace are neither fast nor slow, nor are they inside or outside. They transcend time and space.

Sixty One

Functioning harmoniously together, right and left give birth to all techniques. The left hand takes hold of life and death; the right hand controls it. The four limbs of the body are the four pillars of heaven, and manifest the eight directions, yin and yang, inner and outer.

Sixty Two

Manifest yang
In your right hand,
Balance it with
The yin of your left,
And guide your partner.

Fifty Six

A good stance and posture reflect a proper state of mind.

Fifty Seven

The key to good technique is to keep your hands, feet, and hips straight and centered. If you are centered, you can move freely. The physical center is your belly; if your mind is set there as well, you are assured of victory in any endeavor.

Forty Nine

The heart of a human being is no different from the soul of heaven and earth. In your practice always keep in your thoughts the interaction of heaven and earth, water and fire, yin and yang.

Fifty

The Art of Peace is the principle of nonresistance. Because it is nonresistant, it is victorious from the beginning. Those with evil intentions or contentious thoughts are instantly vanquished. The Art of Peace is invincible because it contends with nothing.

Maybe it is me, but these and some others remind me very much of what is written in the Tai Chi Classics.

But I let everyone decide for themselves.
:cool: :cool:

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fascinating discussion and I don’t mean to detract from it but I felt that someone should point out that this thread name is misleading. According to the story, aikido worked in a situation where the aikidoist suckers the other guy. It wasn’t self-defense. It wasn’t even a fight. Someone could have just as easily stuck one leg out in front of him like you did in grade school. If I am running down a hall and some guy jumps out and kicks me in the balls, it doesn’t mean that TKD works. That’s all. Just wanted to say it. Carry on.

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I dunno if the guy suckered him.

But all he did was clothsline him, and ya, it probably would have stopped the guy even if the aikidoist wasent and aikidoist.

If all conditions are right, its concievable that I could knock you out with a jab - does that make my jab at that point a sucker punch?

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The most interesting thing to me about aikido is that when people give their impressions…a martial art, a hippie communion ritual, an art of peace, a safe method of practicing joint locks and throws…it is ALL of those things. In one class, I often go from slow cooperative training (almost like casual conversation) to intense, more martial training (with people resiting, screwing with your head, striking your open areas, etc). I have been instructed in hippie circle walking, and old school daitoryu derived disabling techniques.

When you add all of these things up, from the most practical to the most spiritual, you get something like aikido.

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Myosimka,

That was a funny post:D

Back on the aspect of Aikido, I find it to be a very interesting art, but one where IMHO you should have a strong striking background before you undertake its studies, just for the sheer fact that you really don’t know what kind of training you are going to be running into, that and its always very important to know how to strike and be aggressive.

Peace,

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Black Jack -

Yes, you can really tell a differnce in aikidoka who know how to strike, and those who don’t.

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Big Deal?

This is like sticking a stick between the spokes of a bycicle!!!

This is not a demonstration of aikido working, but of “surprise attacks” working. A 12 year old girl could have stuck out her leg and accomplished the same thing. running+unexpected force that interrupts= ass over tea-kettle.

I would have been more impressed if the guy stopped and threatened to kick the prosecutors but and then he pulled some sweet aikido off of the attack.

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Rolling Elbow -

That’s a fairly good description. Is aikido amazingly simple, yet effective?

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Aikido tends to have a bad rep as of its street ability, I don’t know enough to be sure if this is because of a lack of gross motor skills, to much attention paid to fine joint manipulations, which are very hard to do under stress, or if its just a case of the hippy crowd watering down what once was and I am sure still is with certain teachers, a martial system.

Intell I attend a aikido class, not just watch, discuss and meet players, I have done that, I will save my final feelings, though from what I have seen, it has a long learning curve, at least from what I have witnessed and been told.

I hear Robert Koga has a good eye towards getting things up to speed on a quicker level, either way, a good striking background is a good idea.

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Wujidude -

Tenchinage IS a koyunage. Koyunage, “breathing/timing throws”, are a broad group of which tenchinage, tekubitori, iriminage, etc are a part. I believe you are thinking he did an iriminage.

Tenchinage does not require contact with two hands. A double grip, such as the one you described, would be one of the basic methods of practice…but in application and advanced practice you hands can be free to lead and/or strike. The throw can be done by contacting with both hands, either hand, or no hands at all.

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I have always thought of studying Aikido as a roller coaster. When you learn the basic of techniques you go slow, much like the assention on a roller coaster in the begining. Once you get to a certain point and understand the techniques and know how to use them and put them together, this is the downside of the roller coaster ride that is “cool” looking with all the twists, the speed, and the strength it can produce. It all flows together in circular movements, and it stops where you started with no one hurt!! :smiley:

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taijutsu = jujutsu

Originally posted by red_fists

Aikido, Aiki-jutsu & Tai-Jutsu are also often classed as Internal Martial Arts.

jujutsu and taijutsu are terms for Japanese classical close quarters combat. Nothing to do with ki (chi).

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Long time ago but is Iriminage where you initially take the opponent in the direction they were going before coiling back on them with some sort of “clothes line” throw ?

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Popsider: Yes, something like that.

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I guess my question is will Aikido work in a everyman for himself all out drunken bar brawl? Everyone swinging at everyone else, punches traveling to your face at what seems like lightspeed, maybe even a few knives or broken bottles heading your way and your in the dead center of it. I know its called the “peaceful art” but all martial arts should allow you to atleast survive a 5 or 10 man free for all with just your life even if you get battered up abit, atleast long enough to run for your life. Hell can break loose at anytime in a crowd of people even if you have nothing to do with it…sh!t happens is all i can say. Whats even worse is 3 or 4 people with all their attention and violent tendencies directed at you, whatever their motives. Any resident Aikido experts wanted on this one.

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Leonidas: will any art help you do that? If you train hard, understand the system and basically have the courage and mental attitude to survive - maybe. if not, then ur bugggered either way really…

david

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Any martial art that limits what you can do in a situation, is a bad one IMO.

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most martial arts limit what you can do in a situation because you can’t cover EVERY eventuality that can happen. real fighting=chaos. Just try to survive it as intact as possible!

david

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I understand how a percussive art can help you to survive that situation. I can even understand how a grappling art like Jujutsu/do or Shuai Chiao would be able to, but what i have seen of Aikido the throws are usually performed against highly telegraphed highly commited straight punches. I’m just trying to understand Aikido a little better. I have dozens of misconceptions and assumptions about it that im trying to get rid of, so now is as good a time as any to get rid of them

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u should check out the thread in the ‘other related arts’ section. It’s got some things about aikido there…

It’s saved my @ss in most club/pub scuffles i’ve been in before i did gong fu.

david