Accupressure Pt. Takedown

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Just had to share an experience with Sifu Totten this weekend.

I’d missed an entire month of training due to this horrible movie on which I was working. Apparently Sifu Totten missed his favorite punching bag, because he decided to come behind me and demonstrate the effects of tapping “Stomach 9”.

Two seconds later I came to, looking up from the floor at my fellow students - many of whom saw the humor in my lying in a six foot heap. :o

Strangely enough, I’ve had the runs all day today…? Does this point actually effect the stomach?

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St 9

Your sifu is not very considerate, or intelligent if he is doing ST 9 KO’s on his students. Long term effects of this strike can be devastating-for example several years later the recipient can have a stroke and die from the gradual disintegration of the internal wall of the carotid artery. St9 Also has a long term effect on the emotional energy, and can cause a detached feeling.

Regards,
Gary

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Curious,

Where is the documented modern medical proof and selected case studies which showcase that this ST 9 ko can cause a stroke and the person can die from the gradual disintergation of the internal wall of the carotid artery?

Since you stated this as a fact I am wondering where you get this dim mak experimentation from?

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blackjack, how good of you to volunteer to get scientific data on this point. Rather than looking at something from another world view, you are wanting objective data. Well, who better to be a guinnea pig? Why don’t you go to their school and let them practice on you. If in 30 years, you get no stroke, then we have one case study suggesting that its all a bunch of bs.

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You still ****y about the lau thing:D

World views have nothing to do with facts, I am not a believer in one touch knock-outs and dim mak death touches, but if something could be showcased with emprical data, then that at least shows the potential of such material.

If you want to look at the possible medical implications of martial strikes then you should check out sports medicine. 21st century medical and anatomical knowledge can answer these questions.

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fair enough, but what if it still works?

before we knew about vitamins, we still ate food.

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We have TONS of proof on how vitamens, minerals, and nutritional supplements works.

Where is the proof on delayed death touches in relation to martial strikes?

It should be a easy question?

If someone says that a person can die from a touch in a specific location or a one touch knockout, in locations that many people both in athletic events and everyday actvities have been hit in and from which do not die or get knocked out, it should require a bit more serious info than just because “my sifu said so”.

Football players, boxers, junior high, high school, college wrestlers, thai fighters, hockey players, rugby players, mma fighters, shan shou fighters, all atheltics events, people would be dropping like flies. This kind of info is even more important to discuss in self defense situations, where it is hard to pull anything off with fine motor skill, let alone tag a specific meridan that will cause a dudes hair to fall out and for him to die 21 days later at noon.

I have yet to have a person knock me out with a touch.

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"am not a believer in one touch knock-outs and dim mak death touches, but if something could be showcased with emprical data, then that at least shows the potential of such material. "

Who has asked you to believe in one touch knockouts? I certainly have not. It actually takes a STRIKE to create an effect. I only ask you believe in western medicine, and basic anatomy.

As far as case studies do your own research-I have already given you some terms..here are a few more to look into

Vasovagal faint
Nucleus tractus solitarii
reticularis parvicellularis
Vagus nerve
parasympathetic effects on heart
cardiac arrest
glossopharyngeal neuralgia
ventricular fibrillation

Gary R.

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or if you want to see one

You could get a George Dillman, or Rick Moneymaker tape in which they demo these KO’s. I think they even have KO clips on there sites.. Evan P. might as well www.kyusho.com/library.htm

Gary

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I am just stating my opinion, maybe if I was marketing tapes for the publics consumption I would be a little offensive, though there really is no need to be.

I don’t make my judgements on video or internet demo’s by same sided groups. My money is much better spent on other pruchases like my morning coffee.

To see a good look/perspective on why these group demo’s are a bunch of hookey you should check out the post by Darren Levine which is in the reality section of KFO. I believe it is titled fraud in the martial arts of something of that nature.

Which leads to the fact that you still did not answer my question to your comment on how a person could go into a stroke and die from the gradual disintergation of the carotid artery due to this ST 9 dim mak touch/or strike.

I can throw out western medical lingo as well but that is not answering any questions.

femoral hernia,
abdominal membrane,
thrombosis,
peritonitis,
hydrostatic pressure,
subclavian artery,
phrenic nerve,
hemorrhagic shock,

See, its fun:D

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Well as far as proof of one touch knockouts, look no further than AT.

I’ve never been knocked unconscious in my life, and that’s after 11 years of kick boxing (the old way, when they used to allow round kicks to the head), yet one little tap on the above mentioned point sent me to the floor. I regained consciousness within two seconds, nevertheless, it happened.

As far as constant tapping of vital accupressure points, I can assure you Sifu T has no interest in actually injuring his students seriously. In fact, he made sure to “correct” the point as soon as I got to my feet. I felt a little weird for a few hours, then I was back to normal…except of course for the runny sh!t I’ve had all day :frowning:

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lol

"I am just stating my opinion, maybe if I was marketing tapes for the publics consumption I would be a little offensive, though there really is no need to be. "

Im not offended at all, just appalled at your willingness to critisize something you do not understand, or are even willing to research, oh, and my one tape(not a KO theme) and agressive marketing strategy (only my own web page) is a real market upset, give me a break.

"I don’t make my judgements on video or internet demo’s by same sided groups. My money is much better spent on other pruchases like my morning coffee. "

Well, our groups are only same sided in the fact that we know the points work, that seems to be the only thing we can agree on! Oh, and I like coffee as well…

"To see a good look/perspective on why these group demo’s are a bunch of hookey you should check out the post by Darren Levine which is in the reality section of KFO. I believe it is titled fraud in the martial arts of something of that nature. "

I cant find that thread, please link me! I cant say I agree with these things being demod on standing dummies, and some of these groups do market “dim-mak made easy” type stuff. But perhaps make their living doing this stuff. I couldnt feed myself on what I make teaching. The fact is your art should work with or without dim-mak.

"Which leads to the fact that you still did not answer my question to your comment on how a person could go into a stroke and die from the gradual disintergation of the carotid artery due to this ST 9 dim mak touch/or strike. "

 I simply dont want to sift through the library. Im not talking Qi here, simply western medicine, ask a Dr. Surely you can agree hitting people in the neck and knocking them out is not healthy? The short answer was based on my instructors research and published in his books.

"I can throw out western medical lingo as well but that is not answering any questions. "

        Well then how about doing more reading and forming a real coherent opinion not based on conjecture? I know this stuff works, I dont have to convince myself further, i have used it in real combat, and not in dangerous demos.

Gary

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AT

Im sorry but the long term damage from strikes like ST 9 are not just “corrected” by revival points. Its not healthy and is irresponsible of your sifu.

Gary

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Well after 40 years of kung fu, I’m sure he knows what he’s doing:)

After all, I’m still here, aren’t I? Except I’m going to have to reglaze my toilet after all this ****ting I’ve been doing. Are you guys sure Stomach 9 doesn’t release the bowels?

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true

40 years of kung-fu definately qualifies him as a medical Doctor, why dont you ask him to perform surgery on you!

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You seem to mistake me asking “a single question” for a person who is “unwilling to research something I do not understand.”

Which by itself is FAR from the truth since asking questions is research.:slight_smile:

I do lots of my own research on different subjects, some of it in fact on the medical implications of martial strikes based on modern sports medicine and its understanding of anatomy, trauma, and those related effects. Nothing vastly indepth, just enough to add a deeper understanding to what I am hitting, and what real world effects it has caused in real world circumstances, based off of real world emprical evidence.

Evidence which can often be found in the medical seciton of any local community college, univirsity or decent city library. The link to Darren’s post is there, try a page or two down, his other post on the same page is one about NLP and Hypnosis in martial arts, something which has a bit to do with these demo’s, just as if you don’t want to go through your library, I don’t feel like searching for a post. :wink:

You stated you have used your dim mak skills in “combat”, do you care to elaborate on your encounters and the effects you have seen, combat is a pretty heavy term, I reserve it for attempted rapes, murders, muggings, car jackings, home invasions, cops in a shootout, soliders in the middle of a battlefield, that sort of thing.

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"You seem to mistake me asking “a single question” for a person who is “unwilling to research something I do not understand.”

Which by itself is FAR from the truth since asking questions is research. "
Fair enough!

"the same page is one about NLP and Hypnosis in martial arts, something which has a bit to do with these demo’s, just as if you don’t want to go through your library, I don’t feel like searching for a post. "
lol..ok, ill look again.

“You stated you have used your dim mak skills in “combat”, do you care to elaborate on your encounters and the effects you have seen, combat is a pretty heavy term, I reserve it for attempted rapes, murders, muggings, car jackings, home invasions, cops in a shootout, soliders in the middle of a battlefield, that sort of thing.”

Ok, well I refer to combat in the same light, I was going to be mugged, I used Triple warmer 23 to KO the person, I hit him, on the point, he started falling, and I ran the other way. I wasnt going to stick around to see how long the person stayed out!

Gary

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May I ask, so I am not lost and can better understand your example, what tech did you use on triple warmer 3 and where is the triple warmer 3 in basic western terms.

That way I can more relate.

Cheers,

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Sure

TW 23 is at the end of the eyebrow(end nearest the ear), just above it in a little hollow, there should be a diagram on my site. The point is struck downward with a small weapon like the palm heel.

Gary

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I believe that they exist, after seeing dr yang in action. I haven’t seen a one touch knock out, but I have seen the power of pressure points, and against resisting opponents. I think that beginner and intermediate level students should not risk them in a self defense situation due to the precision involved, but if you are at a level where you can strike the points precisely without trouble, go for it.