[QUOTE=The Willow Sword;791240]Well Maybe the reason is that TCMA guys are looking for something more than wanting to go and brutalize someone else?
Maybe TCMA Guys dont want to attract that kind of violence to themselves. Maybe TCMA guys just want to study an ART FORM and Learn valuable techniques to defend their life if they are put in that situation.
Maybe TCMA guys have evolved past this “i gotta do the MMA thing because thats what everyone else is doing and i should do it to because that is the stigma of fighting and id better get with it or i am gonna be hurtin real bad if i have to go up against one of these guys”.
Maybe TCMA guys and gals want to belong to a community of people who want to stay in shape and learn something unique and be around others of the same mindset.
Whatever the REASONS are i think i can safely say that in MY OPINION the reason why TCMA guys dont want to compete in MMA events is because they will get their @SS handed to them and killed and dominated because what they learn is a bunch of BS and will not serve them out there in the real world. Lets face it, TCMA guys are all LARPER No lifers who live in a fantasy realm of kung fu hollywood movies and they think that doing all that stuff is going to help them survive a REAL situation. Hey man, 95% of fights go to the ground and if you dont have a good ground game, you are dead, DEAD. If you dont know how to Mount a guy in a closet h)moerotic pose and choke him out you are just ASKING for trouble. I mean HEY, TCMA Guys, put down your play swords and do something REAL for a change. You little patchouly wearing pot smoking democrat supporting america HATERS are just fooling yourselves. Put down your BONG and go to a Krav MAGA Gym and get with the REAL.
that line has been done to death in all the other threads. I think we are all in agreement that people bought hook line and sinker into the whole David Carradine thing-(from now on DC).
So that’s basically it then? We have the DC group and the guys who are evolving their craft and the lines have been drawn. Anything else?
[QUOTE=TenTigers;791186]why don’t TCMA guys compete in MMA type events?[/QUOTE]
they do.
Better questions:
why aren’t allot of these fights on the web?
why don’t “people” know about them?
why isn’t “insert-your-style” even trying to compete in any sporting events?
why does martial arts seem to resemble many religions.. are we allow to think?
Why do I need to see someone’s video to make a decision that I should be able to make if I am older than 16?
Why can’t I use common sense, and figure these questions out?
Why does a contradicting opinion bother me so much, and why can’t I take into account that I DON"T KNOW EVERYTHING.
It should be plainly obvious to everyone why you don’t see “traditional Martial Arts” in the UFC, pride ect.. most people come from TMA backgrounds or train at a “TMA” school. In order to compete at these events you must cross-train. It doesn’t matter if you are good at one thing, you must be competent at all of them.
Don’t expect anyone to post any fights were someone does a tiger-craine-dimak-chain punch in any type of MMA/SANDA/MT/ect. fight. refer to the common sense question.
hahah yeah i know. But seriously i HAVE been interested in going to a class. There is this really cool lebanese dude who comes into the store where i work and he trains in Krav Maga, and apparantly the KM places here in Austin Have all the MMA Bas Rutten style training. It sparked a slight interest, but slight nonetheless.
hehe and you KNOW my last post was intended for humour. ;) Peace,TWS
[QUOTE=The Willow Sword;791246]krav Maga ?
Dude…of all the things to say…
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Krav can be good and it can be well krap.
Its really just basic stuff, its not really the techniques that make it work, its the training. You go to Israel and join the army.. you get a intense training schedule. I don’t care if you are doing Karate, you are going to kick someone’s — training like they do. You join the average school here in the US, after watching that lopez movie.. don’t expect too much. Amir Perez is cool, and any place that is using Bases system, probably does aliveness stuff so it probably isn’t bad. They normally do very little sparring, and it shows. You want to learn Krav go join the IDF. Watch out for the females though.. they can really throw a punch.
Actually Israel doesn’t have much in martial arts schools. Its a really good place to open a MMA/Sanda School. I hear BJJ is slowly picking up.
[QUOTE=monji112000;791249]Krav can be good and it can be well krap.
Its really just basic stuff, its not really the techniques that make it work, its the training. You go to Israel and join the army.. you get a intense training schedule. I don’t care if you are doing Karate, you are going to kick someone’s — training like they do. You join the average school here in the US, after watching that lopez movie.. don’t expect too much. Amir Perez is cool, and any place that is using Bases system, probably does aliveness stuff so it probably isn’t bad. They normally do very little sparring, and it shows. You want to learn Krav go join the IDF. Watch out for the females though.. they can really throw a punch.
Actually Israel doesn’t have much in martial arts schools. Its a really good place to open a MMA/Sanda School. I hear BJJ is slowly picking up.[/QUOTE]
Military KM and civilian are not the same thing, but ANY systems that advocates hard sparring has at least that going for them.
I stopped competing in san shou- it costs so darn much. At least $50 registration, there’s usually nothing in Michigan so I have to travel- travel means gas, food and lodging- All in all, I end up paying 200 plus for a tourney where maybe I get 3 guys in my weight class. There’s no governing body, so if you win, you’re world champion in the unknown Kansas tourney where 3 people showed up to fight.-- When I was in the mood and had the money- there was only 1 ONE other guy in the whole state of Michigan who wanted to compete in San Shou (Circa 1999) - so 1 ONE real sparring partner opportunity- unfortunately he wasn’t in my school- so no real hard sparring opportunity… Anyway, cut the cost, increase the participation, increase the access to the venues- heck- even in my mid 30’s, I’d still fight.
Anyway- I’m sore as heck from Judo last night- guess what- there’s a whole bunch of people who always want to hard spar. There’s a governing body. There’s access to affordable tournaments. They even have an insurance policy to protect us competitors through the USJF that’s just part of being a member. So guess where I fight now?
I don’t get why they’d use movie stills on that rotating banner. It doesn’t flow that well with the other pictures, but at least there’s only 2 stills.
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take out the school in the background, and what would make this guy distinctly “CMA” as opposed to every other MMA person on the planet? He’s doing conditioning, pad work, wrestling, BJJ.
According to a TON of people on here, he isn’t fighting with his kung fu, is he?
If you are not in a horse stance, using phoneix eye, and wearing shiny pajamas, it is not really Kung Fu. I cannot believe all the silly people advocating pad work, hard sparring, conditioning, and wrestling. These are not the elements of Kung Fu. And what is all this hype about BJJ. People who are always on their backs, pfff,
you guys have guard, we have lotus position, you make the choice.
i dunno, i wouldn’t say his hand combinations or his shadow are exactly typical of boxing- nor his pad work. Footworks pretty flat footed from what I saw.
He doesn’t put enough of his hips in his kicks to really be stereotypical thai.
bak mei and dragon are short hand arts anyway, so i don’t think the transition to gloves looks as drastic for them.
i mean, i know where you’re coming from and i guess i can see both sides.
i also still remember the info you gave out on gate theory in your san da, so I consider you part of that movement as well.
learning how to use your stuff will having you doing certain things boxing, muay thai, and mma guys do. on the other hand, it should have its own flavor. i can honestly say at some of the schools i trained at that there was no indigenous flavor, it was all american kickboxing, watered down for continuous rules.
knowing boxing and muay thai, i can see how that guy’s stuff (and your’s) is slightly different. i enjoy seeing that flavor, but i’m not expecting to see some shaw brothers stuff; with someone attacking the other guy’s feet or adopting pointless poses.
one of the reasons i love that dave lacey set of youtube clips so much is you’ve got these lin wan charp (think sitting on a jab to the body), sow choy - front kick, and roundhouse kick - sow choy combos that show up in the forms, in the apps, on the bag work, and (lo-and-behold) they show up in the fighting.
I think if a boxer sits back and says “that’s just flailing” then you’re doing something right.
i dunno, i wouldn’t say his hand combinations or his shadow are exactly typical of boxing- nor his pad work. Footworks pretty flat footed from what I saw.
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his pad work (in the clip) was cross/hook/cross, very typical power boxing
yeah, his footwork was flat, I’d actually say it is something he needs to work on
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He doesn’t put enough of his hips in his kicks to really be stereotypical thai.
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again, see above, if he were my fighter, we’d be working on getting his power into his kicks
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i mean, i know where you’re coming from
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I know you do
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learning how to use your stuff will having you doing certain things boxing, muay thai, and mma guys do.
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you do realize there are TONS of people on here who would (and are) disagree (ing)
you do realize there are TONS of people on here who would (and are) disagree (ing)[/QUOTE]
IMO these are exactly the people that should stay out of it.
i come from the vantage point that in martial arts there is one ultimate goal.
to be able to drop an opponent.
anything that can lend you more power to do that is NOT something you should turn your back on.
to me, cma guys that are taking a modern approach to things, mixing it up, adding material that works from external sources…well these guys are the real ‘kungfu guys’
these are the guys that live the essence of kungfu.
if you went to shaolin 700 years ago (or any real fighters) or when ever, and you showed them some BJJ and tapped several of the monks out, do you think they would turn you away? tell you your material wasnt good enough for kungfu? or would we be seeing shaolin monks rolling today?
[QUOTE=Lucas;791309]IMO these are exactly the people that should stay out of it.
i come from the vantage point that in martial arts there is one ultimate goal.
to be able to drop an opponent.
anything that can lend you more power to do that is NOT something you should turn your back on.
to me, cma guys that are taking a modern approach to things, mixing it up, adding material that works from external sources…well these guys are the real ‘kungfu guys’
these are the guys that live the essence of kungfu.
if you went to shaolin 700 years ago (or any real fighters) or when ever, and you showed them some BJJ and tapped several of the monks out, do you think they would turn you away? tell you your material wasnt good enough for kungfu? or would we be seeing shaolin monks rolling today?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;791306]his pad work (in the clip) was cross/hook/cross, very typical power boxing
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yeah, but his cross is UGLY weird. lol
combo i was originally talking about was 6:03, double hook - cross - uppercut.
Watching it again, he was much better at putting his hip into his round kicks during the actual fights.
One of the combos he went to the well with in those fights was low round house - hook - straight, which i’ve only seen in san shou, not in any thai gyms.
that punching he does from like 4:50 to 5 doesn’t look boxing to me- maybe mma. thought it was pretty consistent with bak mei’s theory of overwhelming.
hahah at 5:13 he does gwa-sow-charp haha nice
few seconds before that, he follows up spinning backfist with a straight- another thing i don’t see in a lot of thai gyms.
Not sure I’ve ever thrown a knee in a combo in thai without initiating a clinch beforehand either, so that’s something a little “atypical”.
two guys sparring during the padwork of 6:55 are definitely doin kung fu with that hook-backfist combo. then again, i’m not one of those guys who thinks non-spinning backfists and hammer fists are useless. pankration back in the day loved the hammerfist and if backfists were totally useless in boxing they wouldn’t get you a warning or a possible dq. it was more of a padding coverage issue than anything else.
i know it’s not like any of the rest of these things really breaks any rules in the other sports, you just don’t see it that often. I like the added flavor.
