8-Step Court Judgment

On November 25, 2008, a U.S. District Court issued a final judgment that James Shyun’s registered trademark on “Eight Step Preying Mantis” and all other variations (including Eight Step, 8 Step, Babu Tanglang, and Eight Step Praying Mantis spelled correctly) was improperly granted to him. The court ordered that the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office to cancel the trademark registrations.

To prevent any rumors or miscommunications about this judgment, I wanted to share some background information about how this judgment came to be:

Originally, Grandmaster Wei’s students did not interfere with James Shyun’s martial arts business in the U.S., because they knew him and were happy for his success. Even after James Shyun began claiming to be the “sole inheritor” of 8-Step from Grandmaster Wei (which, for the record, is not true) and asking his former classmates to play along, they went along in the interests of keeping the peace and because they were just happy to see someone promoting 8-Step outside of Taiwan.

Things probably would have continued this way indefinitely. However, last Spring, when Mr. Ernie Wu hosted a reunion in of Grandmaster Wei’s students in Houston, Texas, James Shyun threatened to sue anyone who might attempt to teach 8-Step at the event. As offensive and arrogant as this threat may have been, Mr. Wu is a very nice, patient person and probably would have let it slide to preserve his friendship with James Shyun. However, after a number of Grandmaster Wei’s former students talked it over, they decided that they could no longer allow James Shyun to hold the trademarks he had filed. The reason is simple: After all of Grandmaster Wei’s students have died, there will be no one left to bear witness to the fact that James Shyun is not the “sole inheritor” of 8-Step and has no special role in the 8-Step community at all that would warrant him registering any sort of trademark to that effect. If that were to happen, the students of Grandmaster Wei’s former students would have no defense against James Shyun’s bullying tactics or those of his students or students’ students. The future of the entire 8-Step community would be threatened irrevocably at that point. So, they decided to file a law suit to correct this falsehood once and for all. The suit was filed in the Summer/Fall of 2008 and a final judgment made in November.

One other point of clarification: There have been Internet rumors here and there indicating that James Shyun had previously sued someone for infringing on his right to “own” 8-Step, and won that lawsuit. To my knowledge, there have never been any such lawsuits. I believe those lawsuits were all fabrications of someone’s imagination. If someone disagrees, please point me to the specific court and any publicly available records indicating such a lawsuit ever took place.

Hopefully this provides clarity, prevents rumors from spreading, and puts this issue to rest once and for all.

Is there no limit to Shyun’s douche-baggery??? I cannot believe ANYONE trains with the moron!
Yet another example of why CMA are swirling the bowl just about ready to be flushed! Too bad we had to waste some judges time with such a mundane, and silly problem. But I am glad someone put Shyun in his place.

Jake

sounds similar to what happened in NYC a few years back after this one PT claimed that he had the exclusive rights to the use of the name “Pilates” (based on his claim that Joe Pilates, with whom he had studied in Joe’s old age) had given him exclusive use of the term before he passed away), and actually had a history of threatening legal action against anyone using the name; obviously that didn’t work out too well for him, LOL…

Hi Lapu.
Good post. Nice to hear that things might turn out ok after all.

Great news.We need more of this in CMA and mantis.This could weed out all the false disciples,sifus,“inheritors”,etc.

[QUOTE=notanexit;907001]Great news.We need more of this in CMA and mantis.This could weed out all the false disciples,sifus,“inheritors”,etc.If only there can be some justice served on this wanna-be disciple clown here where I live.[/QUOTE]

Stop beating a dead horse. Cottrell’s not trying to sue anyone for teaching mantis is he? There is a long history of students who haven’t officially finished a system running off and teaching on their own, it would be nice if cottrell had been honest about it from the beginning, but he did step up and eat his bitters in the end.

You need to shut up and just be happy you got to learn some mantis, do you know of someone else in your area that would teach you the same thing? NO. You would have to travel to learn it, which is what cottrell did. You should be happy he did you a favor and brought mantis to you so you didn’t have to hop a plane to california. And now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

Rumor has it Cottrell threatened legal action against certain editors and what not for slander in regards to him being / not being a disciple of Lai’s.
So what is your point?
Jake

Just tired of hearing the same old rehashed bovine excrement. Didn’t this guy already have a thread dedicated to cottrell bashing?

Your actions are trollish bro. Deleting posts. No names. Come on, lets grow up a bit.
Jake

He’s back!we need another white ape thread!!!

Psycho mantis,When you and others attack me,it confirms that I’m doing the right thing.If I was lying(like the “disciple”)you could just ingnore me and write me off as a "psycho"In your previous post(which mysteriously disappeared)you admit that your dictator was’nt honest.Why was he not honest?Why did he present himself as a disciple?Why is he tying sashes around peoples waists and leading them to believe that one day they’ll be a “disciple”/ sifu?Where did he learn his yang ban hou style taji?Instead of you asking him that,you chose to bash me.Please put down that Jim Jones kool-aid and think for yourself. I would like to commend the 8-step community for doing what’s right and stopping a tyrant.Now your art can grow and flourish.

Censorship is coming.

Well, we all know the inevitable fate of this thread. Why is it that threads and posts are deleted around here anytime something comes up about this??? Should make people think. If one has nothing to hide then why all of the censorship?

Now I have a deep amount of respect and appreciation for the dedication of Mr. Fernando Blanco-Dopazo and his extensive research in the field of Mantistry as can be seen on Mantiscave, but can the profile of this guy please be updated in order to perpetuate accuracy.

Page Updated: 1st July 2000. ???

LOL. I am not now, nor have I ever been a student of Cottrells, just so we are clear.

lapu
thanks for sharing the outcome of this case. I do want to just say my peace.

As a student of Shyun’s (now an ex student) for 20 years I have seen it all.
From back in the 80’s before the internet we were all fooled into believing he was the sole inheritor, Wei’s top student, his only 4th generation diciple and only mantis Master in the US Wei ever produced. Even our history sounded like a kung fu movie and we kinda figured it was embellished just a little bit to sound better but still pretty accurate.
As the internet grew and we met others who studied under Wei and thier sons and daughters who spoke english and were able to set the record straight and had different stories and claims we did our research to get to the bottom and dig to the truth. This is what started it all… the 9 of us (his original students) were started to learn otherwise.
While lots of controvesy seperated the orginal 9 sifu’s from him and we all quit there was no doubt that what he taught was indeed real 8 step. The applications, and fighting were real, the sets were accurate and the taiji was authentic Wu style.

While it felt great to know we had not wasted so many years learning from a fake or made up mantis and shyun was the real deal it was discouraging to know our generation and diciplship was not legit and we could not become true generations of Ba Bu Tang Lang. This is the part where he lost interegrity to the orginal sifu’s and most of America. Everyone wants to believe that what thier Sifu tells them is for thier best interest and is real, legit and the truth, and when students find out other wise thier will obviously be dissappointment and disbelief. No one wants to hear thier father is a liar or believe it for that matter.

I just want to say that I do respect him for what he has taught me and so do my students. His picture still hangs in the school next to Master Wei’s and Feng Hua Yi’s and I continue to teach 8 step proudly. I just wish he was more humble and just taught us kung fu instead of always trying to impress us with his stories and claims. His kung fu skills alone were impresssive enough, but perhaps because deep down inside he knew the truth he would make these claims that were never needed to be made just to fill the emtyness inside. I would have trained with him and continued to train with him with or without the stroies as he is still one of the best martial artists I have had the pleasure to meet. I have crosssed hands with him several times and I can say his technique, power and speed are incrediable.

However with a good martial artist come good morals, values and honesty and hopefully I have taken what he has givin me and added what he left out for my students… be well.

Hey EarthDragon,

You’re still out there… Cool.

How’s the Qigong going? I’m in Florida now still doing my thing.

hey woliveri, yes Im still out here and loving every minute of it. LOL
the qigong is going like always daily. My shrfu is right now in China for 3 months but she just did a demo at the albright knox art galllery for the OX new year. hows things with you? enjoy the florida weather… its 6 up here today a regular heatwave. PM me soon keep in touch ..take care, be well…

ED-
If you think Shyun is good, you should really branch out a bit more. There are people out there that Shyun could not hold a flame too!
Jake

Hey Jake,
while I’m sure thier are better skilled martial artists in the world, I have not had the luxury nor the opportunity to train with them. I have spent many years learning mantis and when I was younger had the golden opportunity to live in S.F at the school and practice 8 hours a day in the 90’s with no job and no responsibilites except training training and more training.
while I lived in S.F I was lucky enough to meet Adam Hsu, Brendan Li, Doc Fei Wong, Tat Ma Wong and Chueng Lee but those days are unfortunatly over as I moved back to NY and have a family, home , job, bills etc etc. So I guess if I was still living in SF (the mecca of martial artists) I might be so inclined to persue other avenues but as for now living in Buffalo NY, I am one of the few kung fu teachers in the area with no one higher to learn from other than Hung Gar from Ting Fong Wong’s son Billy who wishes not to teach since his father passing…

I once asked my friend a 10th dan shotokahn sensei back when I did Go Ju Ryu if he knew thier were better teachers, with more efficient styles of karate out there then why not learn them instead of sticking so long with shotokahn?
…to which he relplied because I have spent so many years with my teacher mastering and perfecting what I already know I would be foolish to start a different style and not master either…

[QUOTE=EarthDragon;907937]

I once asked my friend a 10th dan shotokahn sensei …[/QUOTE]

I call shenanigans. What was the name? Kanazawa, Okazaki? Highest I ever met was Yaguchi and he is only 9th.

psychomantis??? who are you reffering to? highest you ever met was who? and what does that matter?
You joined 4 years ago and have only 1 post? and its a troll post at that? Please keep the thred on topic , thank you…PS if you want anyone to take you seriously then post something worth reading or stay on the main board with the kids BTW this is what he filled out for his profile???

What’s your MA style?
Psycho Mantis
How long have you trained?
Since I saw the hate in my fathers eyes
Biography
Psycho Mantis is a psychic expert for the FOXHOUND unit. Prior to joining FOXHOUND, he worked with the KGB and the FBI. His special abilities include the psychic powers of psychokinesis and telepathy.
Location
Shadow Moses Island
Interests
Telepathy, Controlling your girlfriend, Playing Castlevania
Occupation
Nuclear Terrorist

Ignore him bro.
I did not mean to come across as dissing your experience. I apologize. I just have grown to despise people like Shyun and his antics.
Sorry again for the way I came across.
Jake