thanks joedoe, i know they have a sam chien set as well so was just wondering 
dawood
Originally posted by dezhen2001
[B]thanks joedoe, i know they have a sam chien set as well so was just wondering
dawood [/B]
Many Fukkien arts have a Sam Chien form. They say they train Tai Chor (but call it tiger style) and I know for a fact Tai Chor/Tai Tzu has a Sam Chien set.
Don’t get me started on Sam Chien - I could talk for hours about it. 
a tlak about sam chien - could be interesting dude - not like u have “work” to do huh?
yeah, as far as i know they are a tiger and crane “combination”, and i know from karate history that both fukkien tiger and crane has sam chien.
dawood
Well I will post a few tidbits now and then. How’s that?
Wing Chun has Sil Lum Tao, many Fukkien arts have the Sam Chien. It is like a basic form that embodies a large part of the style’s philosophy and technique. It is said that 40% of Ngor Chor is embodied in Sam Chien. It is also said that every Ngor Chor practitioner starts with Sam Chien and finishes with Sam Chien.
interesting… goju karate has 2 katas called “sanchin” and “tensho” which seem to be part of the same family… they too say that you begin and end with sanchin
dawood
Yet another thing they stole from the Chinese!!!
Sam Chien enforces the 4 principles of float (pu), sink (tim), swallow (toon) & spit (toh), as well as introducing the basic fighting stance of Ngor Chor called, funnily enough, the Sam Chien stance. It also trains iron shirt techniques and power generation through posture and timing of breathing.
hmmm… never come across those terms when i did sanchin, but i do understand roughly what they are and can see it to a degree in the sanchin i learned.
hey man - the okinawans didnt steal it - they just propogated it… it was the japanese who “japanified” it
dawood
Sam Chien also contains the basic blocks and counters in Ngor Chor, as well as the basic stepping technique.
Ngor Chor also has several different Sam Chiens each one emphasizing different or more advanced skills. But the basic Sam Chien is the one most practised and the one that many practitioners (in our lineage anyway) find they get the most benefit from.
i love sam chien specialy the 2nd sam chien after u learned the first 5 basic katas…it can cover a lot of ground from what i observed,sam chien is usually performed(on ceremonies) by masters and advanced students…i was also told that if i suck in sam chien then i would suck in almost everything…since sam chien is almost like the alphabet of ngo cho…
joedoe: my ngo cho doesnt suck…it stinks lol
PS: i chose this style over others bec ngo doesnt jump too much and im short and stocky so it fits my physique lol
Sam Chien is also my favourite form (the basic Sam Chien that is). There are several different Sam Chien forms in Ngor Chor - Tai Tzu Sam Chien, White crane Sam Chien, big Sam Chien … Anyway, if I only have a small amount of time to practise Sam Chien is always in the workout. Such an important form.
always found it kinda bizarre samchien wasnt the first set practised in the Australian school. There is also the “Dai Sam Chuen” (the 12th or 13th set ?). That was my favourite set as it really works your waist.
Alas, I forgotten it years ago.
i know what you mean mate… i have pretty much forgotten all the karate i did before too as well as other things. heck even the wing chun thing si am taught now usually go in one ear and out the other 
dawood
Originally posted by prana
[B]always found it kinda bizarre samchien wasnt the first set practised in the Australian school. There is also the “Dai Sam Chuen” (the 12th or 13th set ?). That was my favourite set as it really works your waist.
Alas, I forgotten it years ago. [/B]
That was a decision James made in his teaching order - I guess most people found 20 punches more interesting because there was punching and turning involved :). Nowadays Sam Chien is taught first I think.
I think I started learning Dai Sam Chien but haven’t really practised.
joedoe: i know what u mean buddy - i need to start doing my siu lim tao again - its been too long 
dawood
sam chien rules!! wooooo!!
ps: yup sam chien should always be the first…di sip kun in also my favorite ill perform di sip kun and samchien sip di in may4 when we change our assn president
samchien really works the waist <- yup i feel thinner already all that waist twisting slimmed my waist down
di sip kun - is that 20 punches?
samchien really works the waist <- yup
so what happened with u joedoe?
dawood
well there is no such thing as spot weight reduction, perhaps toning.
I always seen kf ppl have big waists…
thats coz most KF peeps like to EAT a lot too How can you not when theres all this nice chinese food around?
dawood
lol! hehehe
di sip kun-20 punches
er shi kwoon-mandarin
if anybody here will be going to the november shaolin meet this year…please tell us so that we can meet there