Has anyone seen the TWC empty hand forms, the complete speech made by Sifu William Cheung, plus a demonstration of cross arm chi sau that was edited from the VTAA VCD’s?
I don’t pay any attention to things like that, period. I’m an adult and don’t involve myself name calling and such. Some people have the need to get attention. I don’t.
Phil- I believe that I have seen that VCD once. What did you have in mind?
On the infamous VTAA "s JKD(!) forum… everyone gets their minutes of fame. In the cited link Wong Shon Leung and Ho Kam Ming are mentioned in passing. They need no “defending”.
I would urge Phil to ignore the post.
In another post and from time to time Augustine Fong apparently is mentioned in passing. Again… needs no defending.
I never respond in that forum. Its largely ,perhaps not always, a den of anonymous trolls…looking for a response to play with
in an adolescent format where folks dont have to take responsibility for what they say..Apart from anonymuty folks sometimes type in other people names as their own just to stir up conflicts.
The problem is not limited to the VTAA lista but it is most glaring there.
I wish that this list required identification-it could make for more serious conversations on the art-though the net medium itself can cause miscommunications and flareups.
Joy Chaudhuri
Tempe Wing Chun
www.azwingchun.com
Hi Joy, I agree that’s why I never visit there.
I was refering to the demo of three empty hand forms and a cross arms chi sau drill that was done after William Cheung’s speech. I have it on a tape some one in attendence made. I never saw that demo on my VDC’s
What is amusing is how closely some of the troll posts on the former-VTAA board match some of the troll posts here, in direction, content, manner, etc. Rather obvious in some cases.
Anyway, kudos to Phil. I make it a practice here not to respond to the troll posts any more. If everyone did that (regardless of who they felt the trolls were), things would go much more smoothly.
Oops, I may not deserve your kudos yet. I did reply but I mentioned that I won’t reply anymore.
Don’t waste your time, Phil. It’s just a bunch of kids wanking off in between fringe-porn downloads and MMP game sessions, or cult shills who think barfing tough on the 'net will earn them special browny points from their leaders.
Sit back, play some sax, and leave them to their sadness and kool-aid.
Originally posted by Phil Redmond
[B]Hi Joy, I agree that’s why I never visit there.
I was refering to the demo of three empty hand forms and a cross arms chi sau drill that was done after William Cheung’s speech. I have it on a tape some one in attendence made. I never saw that demo on my VDC’s [/B]
Its not on my copy of the VCD either.
Keith
Yeah Keith,
right after William Cheung gives his speech Dana Wong introduces Bruce Corless and two of his students. Bruce does Biu Jee and his students do both SLT and Chum Kiu at the same time. Then right after that Dana announces the cross arms chi sau demo with Bruce and his student. I have a copy of the tape and was suprised that it wasn’t on the VCD. I also didn’t see when the 1st generation students of Yip Man gathered aroung YM’s grave taking pictures and talking about old times. They probably had to make a decision on content because of file space on the VCD. I don’t believe in any conspiracy theory…grin.
FWIW i think the vcd is poorly edited with no real underlying logic to it. In attempting to show a bit of everything they ended up with half of nothing. That said i think if one watches closely enough there are a few gems hidden here and there.
rewilliam cheun dana wong
hi phll ran into dana wong last week while i was outside haveing a beer at a local pub he is looking well i saw william sifu, yesterdsy in chinatown he looked like he is very fit at the moment peace russellsherry
Hey Russell,
Running into both of them in a week’s time, what a coincidence eh? I knew Dana from Boston and used to write him when he moved to Melbourne. Sifu offered me a position teaching there but I had my 8 kids at the time. It’s to bad about the separation between Sifu and Dana.
Hi Keith,
Look for it on the list soon 
There was clearly some very selective editing done for the VCD. Rumour has it that in the “original” cut, my speech to the Conference was completely intact, but when certain “elderly” members of the group took over the production, much was re-edited and removed, including all reference to my contribution to proceedings. Funny about that…
re willlam cheung dana wong
hi phil yes it is a shame when things, happen to people like, that , but life goes on , also phil dana has been a good friend of mine, for about six years my close friend victor p is a top student of his peace russellsherry
David,
My memory may be failing me, but I seem to recall seeing or hearing of a transcript or summary of your conference speech. If available, I would urge you to share a link to it. I think it would be both valuable and interesting to some readers. I, for one, would enjoy reviewing it.
Phil, I am less familiar with the content of Cheung Sifu’s speech, but perhaps you will consider to pursue likewise. Just because it wasn’t included on the final CD doesn’t mean he cannot share the content of his presentation if he wishes to (unless he made an agreement otherwise, of course).
Regards,
- Kathy Jo
Hi Kathy Jo,
You can find the text of my speech from the Conference at: www.wingchunkuen.com/why/columns/peterson/index.html
and then follow the links to the article “Returning to the Basics”
Regards,
DMP
Hi KJ,
I have no way of hosting Sifu Cheung’s speech online but I can email it to you. I used very high technology and video taped his speech from my TV screen;) It’s a small file and easy to email. I just timed the speech they showed on the VCD and it was 1 minute and 9 seconds but his real speech was 4 minutes and 31 seconds. I’ll email it to anyone else interested. Just send me a mailing address
David, thanks for the link and opportunity to read your great speech again. Too bad it didn’t make the cut.
(FWIW, I echo the sentiment that there is more value in those words than some uncut material. Whatcha gonna do.)
Phil, thanks very much to you also for the offer, and I will look forward to it. I already sent you my email address.
Regards,
- kj