It’s interesting how NOT 1 demonstrator used “huen ma”. I guess that means it is a lost practice.
What Did You Think
What did you think to the Demonstrations ??
Without starting a flame war
Nat from UK
Doesn’t my previous post say it all…?
It was one big joke.
what is a huen ma?
huen sao -circling hand
huen ma- circling step, horse, stance— the mok jong form is full of it.
mook jong
Even the mook jong demonstrator didn’t use it.
Heun Bo
I attended the VTAA conference and saw the “heung bo” used on stage in one/two Jong demonstrations and in (one/two) Biu Jee demonstrations.
I can’t say why you missed it…? Perhaps the VCD focused too much on the upper torso of many demontrators???
John what were the highlights of the conference- as you saw it.?
JohnD
I heard that much of the demonstrations was left out, in particular the mainland version (interesting…). Perhaps this is the case with the demonstrators you are referring to… Who are they so I can review the VCD?
By the way, by “heung bo”, you mean “huen ma”?
Reflections of the VTAA Conference
Friends,
One thing thing that has stuck in my mind about the VTAA Conference and the mainland China trip was the vast differences of personal expression found within the Wing Chun realm. Wing Chun is so beautiful in that it allows for a great range of personal expressions.
I felt about one-third of the demonstrations were from very solid players of Wing Chun Kuen. The middle third were average/moderate at best in their WC play. The last third of the demonstrators were poor…sad.
With a couple of exceptions, I was not impressed by a great majority of the mainland Chinese demonstrations. Maybe, my mind was too slanted toward WC practices west of Guangzhou.
One the reverse side of things…many non-Wing Chun teachers in China have little or no respect for Wing Chun. IMO, this is because they gauge much of their understading about WC on sets and pre-arranged dances.
If anyone plans to travel to southern China -or- northern China be prepared to do some live intercepting and countering demonstrations everyday. It will be the only way for the other arts to see past their myopic lens and appreciate WC.
Cheers,
John
PS. Whippinghand - I beg to differ…it is “heun Bo” sometime called Biu Jee Ma.
Ip Chings demonstration of Biu Jee and application in Chi Sau was superb
Re: Reflections of the VTAA Conference
Originally posted by John D
PS. Whippinghand - I beg to differ…it is “heun Bo” sometime called Biu Jee Ma.
What are you “begging” about?
And do you plan on answering my question…?
i’m sorry whippy but why would anyone answer your question when you can’t seem to answer any you are asked.
vts
On stances- like many terms everyday usage can be less stilted
than strict dictionay usage. In English too- footwork and stepping for instance can be used interchangeably. Context is important in any language in varying degrees. Thus we use ma for stance, ma bo for moving stances, huen ma for circling stance particularly in pole usage, and when the circling is combined with the stepping
in the mok jong form we can call it sip ma. Language usage can be subject specific , context specific and among the Cantonese “anarchists” even school or user specific. Even
regarding English Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady sez that in America they haven’t spoken it for years!<g>
Errrr… I’m sorry…???
My Fair Lady… errr… you like to watch musicals? 
Heh, Heh!
If the musical has great songs and singers in them.
Sure. But My Fair Lady was special because I had read
Shaw’s Pygmalion a long time ago… and its theme of equality and the silliness of creating social hierarchies based on accents.
Same thing in wing chun—a good lineage can produce a bad student. And sometimes a seemingly weak lineage may have
a truly inquisitive student who does well.
poor guy.
Has anyone else checked out the VCD??
Yeah i got a copy a few days back. It was interesting to see all the VERY different approaches to WC … eg that kick boxing approach. Looked like brute strength to me, and not much technique.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
What did anyone else think?
I saw the VCD. In my beginner status I thought that much of it looked sloppy. But when I mentioned this to my Sifu he said that it may look that way but when you chi sao with some of these people - I mean the older ones - it’s like chi saoing by yourself. You don’t feel them and you can hardly touch them.