Time for the periodical update on why the US is nuts thread… no vitriol, no slanging please, just good clean fun.
I’ll start the ball rolling:With a Stormfront slogan!?
pennsylvania, where i live, is an open carry state - as long as you are permitted to own a hand gun, you can wear it out in the open… in my township you are allowed to shoot your guns provided you have a proper backstop - in my case we dug out the hillside… i target bricks with a fully choked, semi-automatic 12 gauge - preferably i use one ounce slugs. i just found 000 buckshot which contains 8 pellets at .36 inches… i am also a fan of trap and skeet shooting. what’s truly nuts is the fact that england allowed their guns to be taken away from private citizens. 
[QUOTE=uki;953471]pennsylvania, where i live, is an open carry state - as long as you are permitted to own a hand gun, you can wear it out in the open… in my township you are allowed to shoot your guns provided you have a proper backstop - in my case we dug out the hillside… i target bricks with a fully choked, semi-automatic 12 gauge - preferably i use one ounce slugs. i just found 000 buckshot which contains 8 pellets at .36 inches… i am also a fan of trap and skeet shooting. what’s truly nuts is the fact that england allowed their guns to be taken away from private citizens. :D[/QUOTE]Congratulations! I’d love to be able to do that.
And congratulations! Way to go with turning this thread into another gun law thread. UK wouldn’t work as a gun carry state, simple as that.
This thread was meant for flippant news articles: feel free to posts some about UK, my home country, or Japan (no shortage of ammo there!) or this can turn into a 20-page locked down gun law ****fest. :rolleyes:
my bad ole puncher… how’s are these mate??
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6562918.html
http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/08/04/Man-paints-complaint-to-city-on-house/UPI-22341249420762/
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;953551]snip UK wouldn’t work as a gun carry state, simple as that.
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lol, the US doesn’t work as a gun carry place either. But people don’t seem to care.
The states are such a polarized place. Some Americans think they are the real americans while believing that other americans are not american at all!
The sad fact of that is that the Country is divided in so many ways internally it is a huge weight on itself.
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/04/21/weekinreview/20070422_MARSH_GRAPHIC.html
The graphic above outlines DAILY gun deaths in the USA and the age groups and type of gun death. It amounts to approximately 30 thousand deaths a year.
That’s 30 thousand people who wouldn’t be dead right now if American had the guts to institute gun reform laws. Unfortunately, the stormfront poster boy and his rights to be an idiot is more important.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;953645]
The graphic above outlines DAILY gun deaths in the USA and the age groups and type of gun death. It amounts to approximately 30 thousand deaths a year.
That’s 30 thousand people who wouldn’t be dead right now if American had the guts to institute gun reform laws.[/QUOTE]if we allowed the government to take our right to protect our lives and our families from undue oppression in whatever shape it arises, we would become slaves to a tyrannical ruling class that would still be allowed to own guns… what it boils down to is the fact that if the government, police, and military can own a gun, so can the people - an unarmed people is nothing more than sheep to be herded around whichever way the shepherd dictates… and if the shepherd decides to sell the sheep to the slaughterhouse, then there would be a heck of alot more deaths than those from a gun… i look at the idiots who kill themselves with guns as being part of natures population control. alot of us are responsible gun owners. 
[QUOTE=uki;953652]if we allowed the government to take our right to protect our lives and our families from undue oppression in whatever shape it arises, we would become slaves to a tyrannical ruling class that would still be allowed to own guns… what it boils down to is the fact that if the government, police, and military can own a gun, so can the people - an unarmed people is nothing more than sheep to be herded around whichever way the shepherd dictates… and if the shepherd decides to sell the sheep to the slaughterhouse, then there would be a heck of alot more deaths than those from a gun… i look at the idiots who kill themselves with guns as being part of natures population control. alot of us are responsible gun owners. :)[/QUOTE]
So long as people are vehement about this is as long as the deaths will continue and the division in society will continue.
Is it really necessary to be walking around with a firearm? Really?
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;953674]Is it really necessary to be walking around with a firearm? Really?[/QUOTE]is it really necessary to be walking around with the knowledge and ability to maim or kill people with your bare hands??
With regards to gun carry laws. We have a right to bear arms and I dont think it has anything to do with personal protection its a side note. The right is the doomsday clause it is our way of making sure the government is under control they know that there are millions of gun owners and it prevents the gov from coming in and doing things they arent supposed to. Dont forget that any time another country is occupied the first thing they do is disarm the public then they string up the lawyers.
[QUOTE=uki;953676]is it really necessary to be walking around with the knowledge and ability to maim or kill people with your bare hands??[/QUOTE]
no.
but here’s the rub.
the skills to do things with one’s own mind and body take a lot of time and effort to develop. You are never guaranteed that everything you have trained will be enough to save you or someone else. You don’t even have a guarantee that you are able to do what your training says you may be able to do. That is an unknown.
On the other hand, in the US, any shlub can go get a gun, legal or not, and walk out and kill someone without ever having to think about anything, without ever having put the time and effort into thinking about what it is. Without putting any effort into anything at all.
It’s a huge difference.
[QUOTE=solo1;953678]With regards to gun carry laws. We have a right to bear arms and I dont think it has anything to do with personal protection its a side note. The right is the doomsday clause it is our way of making sure the government is under control they know that there are millions of gun owners and it prevents the gov from coming in and doing things they arent supposed to. Dont forget that any time another country is occupied the first thing they do is disarm the public then they string up the lawyers.[/QUOTE]
I’m sorry, but this view point is antiquated and very provincial.
Yes, that may have applied when King George the 4th was a threat, but you live in a democracy that is free. You can vote a government out.
It’s not like you’re living somewhere where there is a threat of a coup d’etat or bands of roving armed black mask government death squads.
I find it funny that people always complain about outmoded laws etc etc but that the constitution of 200 years ago is still golden? Times change. You don’t need johnny anybody wandering the streets representing a threat with his gun because it’s his right to be threat?
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;953681]no.[/quote]i didn’t think so…
but here’s the rub.
LOL… here’s that classic dragon/tiger - yin/yang power interplay of opposing(conflicting) forces…
the skills to do things with one’s own mind and body take a lot of time and effort to develop.
so it is only natural that an opposing factor likewise manifest itself alongside it’s counterpart opposite concept.
You are never guaranteed that everything you have trained will be enough to save you or someone else.
and on the flipside, everything happens for a reason…
You don’t even have a guarantee that you are able to do what your training says you may be able to do.
and yet we train with the intention that it will.
That is an unknown.
only because we fail to observe the known…
On the other hand, in the US, any shlub can go get a gun, legal or not, and walk out and kill someone without ever having to think about anything, without ever having put the time and effort into thinking about what it is. Without putting any effort into anything at all.
again this would reflect the natural principle of opposite dynamics… there must be an opposite to every concievable thing in this universe and it must be manifested just the same…
It’s a huge difference.
LOL… actually they are quite the opposite.
[QUOTE=solo1;953678]With regards to gun carry laws. We have a right to bear arms and I dont think it has anything to do with personal protection its a side note. The right is the doomsday clause it is our way of making sure the government is under control they know that there are millions of gun owners and it prevents the gov from coming in and doing things they arent supposed to. Dont forget that any time another country is occupied the first thing they do is disarm the public then they string up the lawyers.[/QUOTE]so… on a subtle note, it would seem that countries that are being taken over(occupied), tout gun control measures that are enacted soley for the purpose of protecting the public, where in reality they are enacted to ensure a docile herd? now reflecting on the UK and now in america(along with a host of other countries), would you be willing to believe that these two lands are being occupied? and if they are infact being occupied, who are their occupiers? and would it be reasonable to say that if we are infact being occupied, that we have a right to protect ourselves from the occupation?
hold on a sec…
you think the US and the UK are “occupied” nations?
wtf?
per capita there are as many firearms in households in Canada as there are in the USA yet the amount of gun deaths in Canada is almost not worth mentioning.
Th UK also has gun ownership for many of it’s citizens, although, I would say they have stricter laws concerning handguns and carrying of same.
Canada has open carry with all long guns afaik as i remember walking to an appraisers with a 30/30 over my shoulder in plain view some years back and not a problem at all with it.
So, what’s up with America, if you are all for personal rights with guns, why are there so many examples of irresponsible use?
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;953729]hold on a sec…[/quote]well i have let go now…
you think the US and the UK are “occupied” nations?
boy… you catch on quick.
wtf?
wtf is right!!
per capita there are as many firearms in households in Canada as there are in the USA yet the amount of gun deaths in Canada is almost not worth mentioning.
this is because the american society and culture revolves around violence and bloodshed… just look at the average television shows that people watch on a daily basis, aswell as the movies that are generated by hollywood… these statistics are a direct result of mass brainwashing via media manipulation.
Th UK also has gun ownership for many of it’s citizens, although, I would say they have stricter laws concerning handguns and carrying of same.
i believe that you need a license for every firearm in the country, which means that everyone must be “pre-approved” by a governmental agency of sorts.
Canada has open carry with all long guns afaik as i remember walking to an appraisers with a 30/30 over my shoulder in plain view some years back and not a problem at all with it.
this again is because the canadain culture is much more peaceful than the american culture…
So, what’s up with America, if you are all for personal rights with guns, why are there so many examples of irresponsible use?
i have just answered that question above. 
[QUOTE=uki;953652]if we allowed the government to take our right to protect our lives and our families from undue oppression in whatever shape it arises, we would become slaves to a tyrannical ruling class that would still be allowed to own guns… what it boils down to is the fact that if the government, police, and military can own a gun, so can the people - an unarmed people is nothing more than sheep to be herded around whichever way the shepherd dictates… and if the shepherd decides to sell the sheep to the slaughterhouse, then there would be a heck of alot more deaths than those from a gun… i look at the idiots who kill themselves with guns as being part of natures population control. alot of us are responsible gun owners. :)[/QUOTE]
That’s just silly. When the Constitution was written a well armed citizen group could defend itself against a group of soldiers. Nowadays if it can down to it (remember Waco) the government is always going to outgun any private group. Also, if you don’t believe me, take a few shots at the police or at the military and see what happens.
[QUOTE=BoulderDawg;953738]That’s just silly. When the Constitution was written a well armed citizen group could defend itself against a group of soldiers. Nowadays if it can down to it (remember Waco) the government is always going to outgun any private group. Also, if you don’t believe me, take a few shots at the police or at the military and see what happens.[/QUOTE]why is that silly? you have stated my exact point i was attempting to convey here… albeit in a different string of words.
[QUOTE=BoulderDawg;953738]That’s just silly. When the Constitution was written a well armed citizen group could defend itself against a group of soldiers. Nowadays if it can down to it (remember Waco) the government is always going to outgun any private group. Also, if you don’t believe me, take a few shots at the police or at the military and see what happens.[/QUOTE]
waco? really?
also, why would you want to shoot at a cop or at a miltary service person?
is there lead piping in your home or do you consume it in bar or flake form?
talk about irrational.
seriously.
have you guys actually read your Constitution? Bill of rights? Or is it just a prop for a lame argument that falls apart in the face of the actual document quite often.
remember, when that thing was written, slavery was ok, killing indians was ok, genocide was ok, women had no rights, and so on and so forth. Try to think contextually about it for a moment. Just a moment. It is your country after all.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;953742]also, why would you want to shoot at a cop or at a miltary service person?[/quote]exactly… there should be no need to.
[I][B]The Preamble to The Bill of Rights
Congress of the United States
begun and held at the City of New-York, on
Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.
THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.
ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.
Note: The following text is a transcription of the first ten amendments to the Constitution in their original form. These amendments were ratified December 15, 1791, and form what is known as the “Bill of Rights.”
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Amendment VII
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.[/B][/I]
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
somehow these rights have been smeared by numerous individuals, the media, and outright propaganda, which is to do nothing more than to eradicate the knowledge and understanding of just what it means to be a FREE nation of people who desire nothing more than to work, raise their family, and enjoy relative peace and happiness - as history has shown, those who feel their rights are being violated, will eventually find the courage to speak up and stand up… of course, true and honest individuals have no need for a bill of rights, but what the heck, they sure as heck look good on the paper they were written on.
would you not agree that police forces are “well regulated militias”?
Do you actually want to take on the responsibility with being involved in said well regulated militia or shall it just be everyone wandering around with guns enforcing the laws?
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;953754]would you not agree that police forces are “well regulated militias”?[/quote]no i would not… they are an unregulated band of thugs, that usually do not have to answer for anything that they do unless there is a public outcry, which even then, they are handed a slap on the wrist in comparison to what a private citizen would recieve.
Do you actually want to take on the responsibility with being involved in said well regulated militia or shall it just be everyone wandering around with guns enforcing the laws?
well regulated by whose regulations and according to whose rules? the entire purpose of militias is to protect the interests of the state and the people from the abuse of power arising from whatever said government is in place… this is why the first thing done by an oppressive regime is to disarm the public and enact draconian gun laws in attempts to thwart any armed resistance to an oppressive government. take for example this latest develpoment in encroaching on the individual rights of the states… http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/governors-oppose-dod-emergency-powers-2009-08-10.html