Originally posted by blooming lotus
[B]You know I never said that 1000 reps is gonna get you a six pack, its more like an eight pack and I would’ve said 3000 ( because that’s what I do daily).
Before you rflao, I know how that sounds because by doing that you should technically be in an anaerobic state right, and what good is that to someone who wants to burn fat and gain endurance? :rolleyes:
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3000 reps anaerobic? You’ve got it wrong. Anaerobic means “without oxygen”. Gunna do 3000 reps without breathing?
Actually, anaerobis energy system is what kicks in when you work over long preiods and as for not breathing…pls see the benifits of cntrolled oxygen deprivation ala ninjitsu meditation techniques
and the guy is probably still fat cause he eats too any twinkies or something
maybe I was wrong on the over a long period thing, unless your using different muscles in short intense bursts, which is why I said it’s important to work your abs at different angles and speeds. Your right, It is oxygen deprivation, but I’m not wrong…I guess you just misinterperated what I said
Originally posted by blooming lotus maybe I was wrong … but I’m not wrong … I guess you just misinterperated what I said
Whatever …
I didn’t misinterpret anything. Tell me what I misunderstood about this:
Originally posted by blooming lotus
[B]You know I never said that 1000 reps is gonna get you a six pack, its more like an eight pack and I would’ve said 3000 ( because that’s what I do daily).
Before you rflao, I know how that sounds because by doing that you should technically be in an anaerobic state right, and what good is that to someone who wants to burn fat and gain endurance?[/B]
What I understood was you were saying that doing 3000 (or 1000) reps would be anaerobic exercise. Were you not saying that? I called that as wrong. Not wanting to get into (another) argument, just clarifying the meaning of anaerobic.
if you read the rest of the thread particulary where I was explaining how those reps should be executed, you’d know where the misinterpretation came from..cheers for pulling me up on it though
which is why I said it’s important to work your abs at different angles and speeds
Um. Your muscles don’t care what “angle” they’re being worked from. Neither can they tell what angle they’re being worked from. Either they’re contracting or they’re not. All or nothing. That’s how a muscle works. The idea that you need to work muscles from different angles is left over from old, incorrect bodybuilding theory.
BL, just out of curiosity can you post a pic of your 8 pack? i just wanna see what sort of mid section you can gain from 3000 ab exercises a day?
ironfist, im still relatively new to learning exercise science. i was under the impression angles do matter. i thought most strength was gained at whatever angle or ROM the muscle was worked at, or are you taking it purely from a bodybuilding prospective? are incline or decline bench presses any different to a flat bench press in this respect?
additionally certain iron body techniques specialise in this sort of energy storage and control, in fact I’m sure there was an e-zine article not so long ago describing how mindblowing it was that a little chinese man could turn any limb, muscle or part of from liquid to iron instantaniously. Please feel free to open your minds, there are many facts, tips, tricks and “secrets” out there that none of us have which improve our game and condradict our current knowledge. This Fact is comon knowledge
Originally posted by stubbs ironfist, im still relatively new to learning exercise science. i was under the impression angles do matter. i thought most strength was gained at whatever angle or ROM the muscle was worked at, or are you taking it purely from a bodybuilding prospective? are incline or decline bench presses any different to a flat bench press in this respect?
Angles matter in that loads can have a different effect depending on where they are applied from. E.g. in your example, incline bench will transfer more work to your anterior deltoids (off your pectorals). Decline, I don’t remember offhand exactly what it affects most. But flat, incline and decline don’t work “upper” and “lower” pecs differently. With the abdominal exercises, angles may matter insofar as which muscles are worked. The rectus abdominus isn’t the only abdominal muscle. There’s also internal and external obliques and the transverse abdominus. Also the group of muscles referred to as the hip flexors. Different angles will work each muscle differently. But at the end of the day, each individual muscle can’t tell which angle it’s being worked from. Like Iron said.
I know what you’re talking about re the ROM and strength. Like when people do a quarter bench or squat as opposed to a full ROM. The effects are different, but only (if I understand correctly) in that you are talking about complex compound movements. E.g. Iron does full squats, I do powerlifting squats. He might have some stronger muscles in the hip or somewhere since I know I’d have difficulty in going all the way down with his weights, even though I squat more than him. With bench, you want to improve around your sticking point (typically fairly low down). At that point, you might need to concentrate on e.g. triceps and lats, whereas if you did 1/4 benches most of the weight will be lifted by your pectorals. Get what I’m saying? I suck at explaining it (and I’m probably wrong, anyway). Ask Ford.
how does ROM apply to ab and core strength? i’ve been doing pretty much nothing but crunches for my abs over the last couple of years after being told sit ups can be bad ( i can’t remember why). last night i had a go at doing some sit ups in amongst some other core excercises and the sit ups were killing me. it was great! can someone remind me why sit ups were thought to be bad?
There is a difference between incline bench and flat bench. Technically speaking, the pectoral muscles have two heads. The “lower pecs,” or Sternal head, and the “upper pecs,” or Clavical head. Because these are seperate heads with their own insertion points, they can be targeted a little bit differently.
Now that that’s been said, for any given muscle head, there is no difference in the angle that you work it at. Different angles may place more or less stress on it and therefore work it more or less, but the only thing the angle changes with regard to a particular muscle is the amount of stress placed on it.
For bench press, for example, the more inclined you get the more stress is placed on the anterior deltoids and the less stress is placed on the pecs. Within the pecs group, the more inclined you get the more work the Clavical head does and the less work the Sternal head does. But this is because those are two different heads within the same muscle.
With abs, there is only one head, so that’s why you can’t work upper or lower.
You probably already know this principle… your biceps have two heads. That’s why they’re called “biceps.” Your triceps have three heads… “triceps.”
The general rule is that for any muscle group with different heads, you can change the relative stress placed on each one. But for any given head, you cannot change the stress placed on different parts of it.
I pretty much already wrote a whole thread on this. Read this and if you have anymore questions then ask.
VASH…Ignore list? …Like I’ve ever tried to pm or mail you idiot.
I could go back over some charts and explain further and even though you’re slowly coming to undrestand aspects of what I’ saying, this is getting tiring so I wont. Technical explaination aside, all I know is what my body does, what it looks like when it does it and what according to other peoples pics and clips recently posted, theirs do.
Why are so many people around here so freakin childish ?!?
Oh and Stubbs, about the pic…I’m sure you would…I could get cute here guys but remember, this is all I do to the exclusion of everything else, besides study and work my business plans. This is no hobby, it’s life. Hold your heads up and take it easy folks
death match? pah! be a man and fight me in a thumb war! (best of 3 wins)
you did help me vash. i think i was assuming angle affected strength in the same way as ROM.
thanks for the info ironfist…im gonna read through your thread later on.
BL
Technical explaination aside, all I know is what my body does, what it looks like when it does it and what according to other peoples pics and clips recently posted, theirs do.
thats what i was hoping to do with your pic. just wanted to see if it would be worth me considering to do 3000 reps
Look, I used to do a shiete load of abs with not so great results, then several yrs ago I came by an ab-rocker then an ab-doer ( created by john ab-do) and not only did I all of a sudden start getting results higher than any of my expectations, my whole way of understanding my core function changed. The abdoer is a seated piece of equipment but I use it at different inclines, declines and twisted angles planted by different vertebrae with diferrent amounts of resistence. For me, It was extremely hard to simulate these movements without first understanding it by using this machine and experimenting with different techniques. I also around the same time, discovered pilates, which again took my core stregth and flexibilty to a crazy new level and my body has never looked back. I was always at the top of fitness achievement prior, but this knowledge is irreplaceable, and I appologise if you’re not undestanding the applications I’m describing…
I do have some snaps of my fab abs but A. I’d have to dig them out and B. Have you got any idea how much $$$ I get for pics like that…Honestly, it’s the kind of thing that gets me stalked…“excuse miss, U’re so purty, can I touch you?” etc etc
B. Have you got any idea how much $$$ I get for pics like that…Honestly, it’s the kind of thing that gets me stalked…“excuse miss, U’re so purty, can I touch you?” etc etc
lol. I guess you can’t go to a beach then cuz someone might see your abs. Also it sounds like if you were to go to a beach you’d charge everyone to look at you. :rolleyes:
I do have some snaps of my fab abs but A. I’d have to dig them out and B. Have you got any idea how much $$$ I get for pics like that…Honestly, it’s the kind of thing that gets me stalked…“excuse miss, U’re so purty, can I touch you?” etc etc
Wow, that is one of the dumber things I’ve seen someone say/write.
I’m not saying what you’ve said in previous posts is dumb, but that there is a winner. Or should I say loser?
You’ve either got nothing, and are a fake, or you’ve got some issues.
EDIT: And what’s all this talk about an “8” pack. There’s no such thing.
