Originally posted by duende
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HFY has always publicly stated that all Wing Chun comes from Shaolin. Whether it be via Ng Mui or their own lineage history. In MKF we even write about Chi Sim’s Shaolin history.
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When is MKF become a bible of Wing Chun?
Your Wing Chun doesnt represent mine. your training doesnt represent mine. Your story doesnt represent mine too. Sorry.
Hendrik:
Okay - I appreciate this…
"That is an honest fair post.
How can any one blame on a honest post presenting one own’s view? Cant. "
But there’s no need to throw fuel upon the fire with this…
"When is MKF become a bible of Wing Chun?
Your Wing Chun doesnt represent mine. your training doesnt represent mine. Your story doesnt represent mine too. Sorry."
This kind of remark is a return to the past…in an attempt to troll out some response from the HFY guys. But this thread is meant to get past all of that and look towards a new tomorrow for Wing Chun as a Whole.
Do yourselves a favor…HFY guys…
and don’t even respond to him.
HE’S BECOME A BIG WASTE OF TIME.
Cool with me Victor…
Glad to see we still agree about somethings.
later
Originally posted by Ultimatewingchun
[B]Hendrik:
1, Okay - I appreciate this…
"That is an honest fair post.
How can any one blame on a honest post presenting one own’s view? Cant. "
2, But there’s no need to throw fuel upon the fire with this…
"When is MKF become a bible of Wing Chun?
Your Wing Chun doesnt represent mine. your training doesnt represent mine. Your story doesnt represent mine too. Sorry."
This kind of remark is a return to the past…in an attempt to troll out some response from the HFY guys. But this thread is meant to get past all of that and look towards a new tomorrow for Wing Chun as a Whole.
Do yourselves a favor…HFY guys…
and don’t even respond to him.
HE’S BECOME A BIG WASTE OF TIME. [/B]
Victor,
1, I can have a totally different view with you or even different agenda or anything. But, if it is an honest work then I have to recognized it as honest and respect it. As the samurai spirit, one can be in opposition but we all are big enought to be able to recognized others greatness. That boil down to being honest.
2, you are right. there is no need to argue about this. my view is like this.
My point is simple that I dont agree with the person who make claim for ALL Wing Chun Kuen.
Certainly, my lineage of Wing Chun practice is hundred miles away from what one see in MKS.
And the writers of MKS has no CLUe about my lineage’s art. So, I am here to disagree about the calim present which is not the fact at all for me.
Count it from 1, no broken arrow…
So, why should I take others fault claim about my lineage? That boil down to mutual respect.
Without honesty and mutual respect one will not be able to build trust for any true communication. IMHO. we can only live in NOW not past and future. and to live in Now for a whole, Mutual respect and honesty are keys. IMHO
Hi Victor- I do not agree with you always- but it was a nice post- specially the part of the need for forgetting the past WT/TWC clashes.
joy
Hi Victor- I do not agree with you always- but it was a nice post- specially the part of the need for forgetting the past WT/TWC clashes.
joy
Yeah…Joy…
It’s time to move on.
There are different wing chun origin stories-one can believe what they want to.
No one can claim the authority to speak for all of wing chun.
At thanksgiving time I for one am glad that the art has survived in different ways thus far.
I too agree with putting the past behind us in order to move on to greater things for Wing Chun.
Ultimate - your post was good reading. It was nice to hear your thoughts. We all don’t have to agree with those thoughts, however, I do believe we all need to agree that those “ugly” things that were done in the past need to be put behind us in order to make this great art even more powerful. That’s what should be taken from this… not the things we disagree with.
Not to worry Andrew you are still in the running for the Down under version.
Shucks. :o
Disclaimer!..(for the kids at home)
This thread has to be considered as the personal perceptions of an idividual based on his own Wing Chun path and his preocupations on other styles and on a certain “image” to be projected on the internet.It also deals with commercial propaganda that any free mind should not be forced to believe in.This is not representing the point of view of the majority of the Wing Chun world.
To be considered with a grain of salt…Or a whole bag if you prefer!..
Ultimatewingchun on yellowpikachu-
An unfortunate and uncalled for remark. While yellowpikachu has his own style of communication- he fairly consistently and clearly
critiqued the HFY claims for the roots of all wing chun.
Those claims dont fit what Hendrik does or several other wing chun lines do.
Originally posted by Vajramusti
[B]Ultimatewingchun on yellowpikachu-
An unfortunate and uncalled for remark. While yellowpikachu has his own style of communication- he fairly consistently and clearly
critiqued the HFY claims for the roots of all wing chun.
Those claims dont fit what Hendrik does or several other wing chun lines do. [/B]
this is easy to solve issue. as soon as those people stop to make claims for the roots of all wing chun and not expecting others to keep silence on the fault claims, issues solve.
No one is going to sit there and keep thier mouth shut to let others make claim and insult thier ancestors. people is going to leave record in public so that all the future WCners have a lead to check out what is going on.
So,
That is about mutual respect of others ancestors and lineage. dont claim for others where one has no clue. and there is no issue at all as soon as one respect others. dont do what one doesnt what to being done by others. if one dont want others to tear apart one’s his-story. dont do false claim on others. One certainly can bring up discussion but not in the way of making claim.
BTW, different lineages has different teaching methodology and it will be great to let everyone present the teaching methodology and process while others can sit down learn and share . Very simple thing to solve lots of unnecessary energy drain if everyone like to go this way.
As Victor honestly speak his heart. In my opion, there are lots of work to be done for Wing Chun toward future from structure to power generation to even MMA. For me, Wing Chun Kuen is an Iterative model system. it has to get going because things change and training changes.
My view on the past is about one needs to know the past Iteration process and solution to iterate for the future. without knowing the process and solution it is easy to make the mistake of throwing the water and the baby in the same time. That is where lots of people mis-understand me.
just some thoughts
Parlati Sifu,
Moving forward is a good idea and hendrik trolling is true but Joy is another matter. We never see Joy aka the cheerleader question hendrik for making statements claiming that his white crane water palm is the origin of tan sau and modern day wing chun which could have easily made the ugly post not to mention hendrik’s claims that Chi Sim Weng Chun is not wing chun at all his credentials for such statements being his ability to fill out the membership request for this forum. Joy are you jumping out on that limb as well or do you only care to open your mouth and send your erroneous comments in the direction of HFY. Speaking of what other wing chun lines do and don’t do why did Augustine Fong change the Yip Man wooden dummy form. If your marker is the fact that others either do it or don’t do it where are you scoring this one bad or ugly you just ruled out good.
Why did Augustine Fong change the Yip Man wooden dummy form.
He had his reasons and was totally entitled to do so.
Originally posted by canglong
Parlati Sifu,
Moving forward is a good idea and hendrik trolling is true but Joy is another matter. ,.
Canglong,
as i suggest before,
as for what is Wing Chun root and Localization Evolution and my credentials…ect,
get Gene of The KFO as the host, get KFO magazine to sponsor a Wing Chun Presentation meeting and let KFO published the event. Get the top guys of the China’s martial art head man from Shao Lin, White Crane of Fujian, Wudang, Emei, TaiJi, yee Chuan, Shing Yee, chinese historian such as Chim Bo-Chi…etc
Tell me a date and I will be there to present similar to everyone else.
Let them judge everyone’s presentation and draw conclusion.
Until then, lets learn about mutual respect not to make claim for others and move forward.
Note: about two years ago, in this forum, Andreas and me have an Agreement that we both not talk about others system in this forum which we both honor highly.
I would appreciate that you dont bring up Andreas system here or trying to stir something here between him and me.
Until then, lets learn about mutual respect not to make claim for others and move forward.
hendrik,
You are the one that constantly and continuously post with a lack of respect, you post as if you and you alone are the only one that knows anything about wing chun then you evade all questions at all cost and then add this is not Shao lin that is not Shao lin " I had a dream about Shao lin" “this is not about monks killing Qing” and rarely do you speak of wing chun on a wing chun forum it is your own lack of respect when posting that earns you none.
Originally posted by canglong
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and rarely do you speak of wing chun on a wing chun forum it is your own lack of respect when posting that earns you none. [/B]
Thank you for your personal view.
what you see is not wing chun is wing chun for me and migh be for others.
get Gene of The KFO as the host, get KFO magazine to sponsor a Wing Chun Presentation meeting and let KFO published the event. Get the top guys of the China’s martial art head man from Shao Lin, White Crane of Fujian, Wudang, Emei, TaiJi, yee Chuan, Shing Yee, chinese historian such as Chim Bo-Chi…etc Tell me a date and I will be there to present similar to everyone else.
The Ving Tsun Museum didn’t wait on you I suggest you not wait on anyone else either. Their research has been done a book has been written with more in the works like it or not things are moving forward with or without you.
Originally posted by canglong
[B]The Ving Tsun Museum didn’t wait on you I suggest you not wait on anyone else either.
Their research has been done a book has been written with more in the works like it or not things are moving forward with or without you. [/B]
Thank your for your suggestion
Ving TSun Museum certainly did a great job on presenting thier view.
writing a book presenting the family trees , content, process of training of the wing chun and Chan lineage which I belongs to are ordinary job others can do and they might even can do better then me. However, those people doesnt include the VTM since VTM dont know the WCK and Chan lineage which I practiced.
Presenting infront of the chinese headman of Shao Lin, Wudang, Emei, Taiji, White Crane of Fujian, Yee Chuan , Hsing Yee…and chinese historian Chin po-chi ..etc are fun meeting which I am looking forward to.