Wing Chun Front Kick

[WingChunTao]

I am wrong. Your way is the only way, superior way. The rest of the Wing Chun world can’t match up to your witts or your Internet Warrior status. THE END.

[Phil_Redmond]

@WingChunTao

I am wrong. Your way is the only way, superior way. The rest of the Wing Chun world can’t match up to your witts or your Internet Warrior status. THE END.

I teach in Warren and in Ferndale. You are welcome to visit me and I can show you what Andrew is talking about. Plus I still want to discuss Guitar lessons with you. The class schedule and times are at this link. http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/contact.asp I have a class in Ferndale on Thrusday nights. It just hasn’t been posted on the site yet.
PR

[Liddel]

Straight answer

I agree with Ultimatewingchun’s answer
" I find … that raising the foot first and letting the knee rise incidentally is the FASTEST way to success…"
This works best for “ME”, ( just in case someone wants to argue )
I have sparring partners that train with police and army using CQB methods and they also rely on NOT Co-king the leg but bringing the foot in a straight line to the target.
To me this also is backed up by my VT theory that a straight line to the target is the most effective, Co-king though useful waists time and can telegraph ones action.

[Mr_Punch]

Liddel, do you not have tan/bong gerk?

[martyg]

@WingChunTao

Sinking Chum or rooting (like a tree):

I think part of the problem getting your point across is the vocabulary and the way you’re using it. I understand the idea of body connection you’re trying to get across (in actuality though, if you’re in contact the idea is more similar to taiji’s peng with the opponent providing the energy for you to connect and sink while using the same path to send back.)

At a distance, this does not occur until the point of contact of your kick as well. Prematurely sinking will break the bridge on contact and cause an attempt at distributing your Yi in two different directions. What you’re describing can be better termed as simply relaxing the alignment during the motion, without a major direction of Yi.

@WingChunTao

Chum is sinking energy (gravity) pulling or pushing into the ground. When using Chum, say in a front kick, the support leg is bent, the back is straight, and the weight of the body sinks into the ground without compromising or losing the YGKYM structure.

Chum (like most of the energies) is more of an expression of ging via directing your Yi in to your opponent than it is something you do to your self. Again, what you’re describing more is “relaxation” of the support let and lower body to allow natural alignment. Rather than an active “sinking”.

@WingChunTao

This keeps the force (energy) down toward the ground, not riding high or floating.

Actually, what it does is allow a natural alignment for you to then align/combine with your opponent’s body (creating one unit) at the point of impact and allow your yi to manifest itself. Saying it keeps “energy” down to the ground can lead to confustion. It basicly keeps your “engine” intact and allows you to properly join and use the now linked connection (bridge). Same process with anything really, weather it’s kicking, punching, touching, etc…

@WingChunTao

Chen style Tai Chi is a good example (different style, same concept) : Many of the poses are very low or sunken to the ground.

Well…that’s more of a byproduct of the process than actually physically driving down and sinking. Relaxation causes sinking, but the ideas of spiraling in the body play an even larger part in that.

@WingChunTao

This low sinking energy is what chum is all about.
Another example is YGKYM its self. Try standing in YGKYM and bend your knees. Now sink even further, then further etc… Do this without losing structure and relax.

Sinking doesn’t really help if everything in between is dead (unused). You just have a lower dead body.

@WingChunTao

Reasearch and experiment for yoursleves with chum. It’s a theory and a concept when just talking about it, but when put it into use it is praxis (theory into practice).

Again, to me I wouldn’t call that chum. If my opponent’s body winds up breaking and sunken as a result of my motion and intent, then that’s an expression of chum energy.

Thanks for the topic, it’s been interesting.

[WingChunTao]

Thanks Martyg. I like the way you think and express your ideas. That’s the kind of feedback I am looking for. Peace

[Mr_Punch]

@WingChunTao

That’s the kind of feedback I am looking for. Peace

Oh so that’s why you were talking about purely mechanical action until your fourth post on this thread when you decided to mention chum in an attempt to sound more learned…? I see. :rolleyes:

Well I tell you what, when I think you know wtf you’re trying to talk about, that you’ve been taught any of that and you’re not just trying to play us for extra info that your sifu doesn’t know or has told you you’re not ready for yet… then come back and I’ll talk to you about chum.

Until then, in the words of Bullshido: shut the **** up newbie!

Peace.

[WingChunTao]

Mat

Didn’t Silent Warrior get in trouble for this kind of talk? If you don’t have anything good to say without resorting to swearing, calling people ignorant, or whatever childish names or things you can think of, then don’t say anything at all. Peace

[Mr_Punch]

It appears my last response to this was deleted by the mods.

Well, let’s try measuring the response a little more this time…

@WingChunTao

That’s the kind of feedback I am looking for. Peace

If that was the response you were looking for why were your posts talking purely about the physical mechanics of throwing a kick without mentioning chum until four posts in? Were you ‘testing’ us?

I candidly suggest next time, if you want to talk about chum, you ask a question about it.