Is this for real? :rolleyes:
may those who use bruce’s name always be in the spotlight…
yes such a thing exits. i didn’t click on the link but i know the story…
i’m guessin it’s not legit, right?
Wing Chun Do
Hello,
Wing Chun Do is the interpretation of Bruce Lees teaching from James Demille. James Demile was a student of Bruce during the Seattle years and may have studied with Jesse Glover and Taky Kimura among others.
Wing Chun Do is a more stiff interpretation, IMHO, than strict Wing Chun. It emphasizes a mechanical approach to fighting with the techniques of Wing Chun (DO). There is, AFAIK, only one “form” and that is an abreviated SNT. They do have Chi Sau but it is again more forceful with a lot of forward pressure. Mr. Demile wrote a few books on Wing Chun Do, I used to have them back in the early 80’s but have since misplaced my copies. Some of the exercises looked kind of interesting. I guess in the absence of true Wing Chun his approach serves to fill a void. However, I always viewed it more as a karate type derivitive.
As for being legitimate, they are as far as their approach goes. Not considered a part of mainstream Wing Chun but more of an offshoot. I did not realize they had grown beyond the Seattle/Spokane area but then I was not all that interested in their method to begin with.
Peace,
Dave
The sijo of wing chun do—what a title- and he is still alive!
sijo, as far as i know, just means founder or leader. most founders of legit martial arts styles just happen to be dead, so the term is typically applied to those who are no longer with us.
however, the dead thing kinda applies. for example, my sigung, leung ting, had students who wanted to call him sijo for the work he’s done in promoting the art. he said know, pointing to two simple facts: 1. he isn’t dead, and 2. he still thinks of yip man in that regard.
makes sense, methinks.
and am i the only one who has a hard time swallowing the idea of a white guy going by the title of sijo? i know, may be silly, but i’m white, and i just giggle at the idea of a caucasian sijo right now.
I don’t mind calling anyone (who teaches CMA) Sifu or Sigong if that’s the way things work out (ie. my teacher is my Sifu, his teacher is my Sigong). It’s just a title to show their relationship to you. Sijo i’m not sure about though 
But if you’re not promoting/teaching a CMA then why go by the title Sijo, Sigong of even Sifu? Ok, maybe it was influenced by CMA, but possibly also lots of other things too… so why do you need that?
david
I ran into a rather shady looking character who did Wing Chun Do. It sounded pretty different from the ways I normally see WC being used or taught. Sounded like Jeet Kune Do to me.
Has anyone heard of Tsun Jo Wing Chun? I saw a book for sale featuring this “style”. What is it?
Hi,
Jo-si (same characters as Si-jo but the other way around) is typically a founder (though Jong-si is more commonly used in martial arts and religious circles). Typically only used by descendants after the founder has passed on (eg. Yip Man Jong Si, Yuen Kay-San Jong Si).
Si-jo is a teacher/ancester - typically anyone of an earlier generation than sigung (sigung’s sifu, etc.)
Rgds,
RR
Wing Chun Do
Yes this is legit.
Is it pure Wing Chun as you practice it? No.
Does it use techniques and principles from Wing Chun? Yes.
Does it use techniques and principles from other arts? Not really - depends on your interpretation. When Sijo Demile was with Bruce it was before Bruce started the idea of JKD.
I study Wing Chun Do in the Detroit area and I love the system.
I am not going to give you a history as you can read that from the Wing Chun Do website.
As for being stiff in chi sao or in any other application it is much like Wing Chun - depends on who you see it from. Just as each branch of Wing Chun has a different feel from the other, and just as two individuals from the same branch can have a different feel.
If you would like to discuss more, please feel free to email me as I will not post much more on this topic. Too many individuals cannot agree on Wing Chun alone without bringing up Wing Chun Do.
Regardless, you should not discard something you have not seen nor felt.
Kevin
Discard? Not my intent
Hi Spectre,
So you practice Wing Chu Do and are happy with it. I think that this is great. If you find something you like and enjoy then you have already accomplished half the battle.
I can assure you that it was not my intention to put Wing Chun Do down nor ot discard it. However, while I was living in Tacoma I trained in Wing Chun in Seattle. While searching for a Wing Chun School I came upon a Wing Chun Do school. I do not know the instructors name nor even remember where it was locate, as to an exact address. I observed one of the classes and noticed they used, or seemd to use, a lot of force. Their work on the dummy was very hard and seemed to be more of a sid to side approach as opposed to driving force into the dummy. Of course, I could have misjudged as we never crossed hands. Still, my opinion was that they looked more like karate than Wing Chun. Not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, the key being whether or not you can make it work for you.
I would be interested in continuing this discussion, off list if you prefer as you seem to wish. Please feel free to e-mail me at the following:
Peace,
Dave
there’s also an thread about titles etc. in the main kung fu forum (but i assume most ppl have already checked it out?). It’s interesting to think about why we use titles in our martial arts nowadays, and the differences in the way other people use them…
I’d be interested to hear some more about wing chun-do, just as i am interested in learning about other versions of wing chun kuen 
peace,
david
Oh boy…
Hi There!
First off, Happy Chinese New Year to those who celebrate it. 
About WCD, IMO it’s a legitimate system. Is it traditional Wing Chun? Nope. It’s more a modified form on WC in that it uses principals from WC. Centerline, bong sao, taun sao, goang sao, biu jee, etc. I think it’s great for self defense. I’m sure it sounds like it’s out for money. Or that it’s a hoax with the whole Bruce Lee connection. However, after being in the class for a few months, I feel that it’s great for me. I wouldn’t take it unless I thought it was right for my needs (pratical self defense).
I train in the Detroit area as well. Check out my instructor’s website (linked below) for a better feel for what it is. I personally think it’s a better informative site than the international website www.wingchundo.com
In regards to the forcefulness of chi sao, I think that depends on the individual. There are students in my school who are very forceful and those who aren’t. Both can be equally as good, but just have different technique.
All in all, we are all Wing Chun at it’s root and shouldn’t pass judgement on other schools/styles due to stylized differences. Who knows, if you give it a chance you might learn something.
Take Care,
Enree.
Impressive
You could have taken offense (and rightly so) at everybody’s attitude here on Wing Chun Do, being a practioner yourself. Yet you did not start a flame war or throw back the insults. Instead, you used sound reasoning and kept this issue diplomatic.
You have earned my respect and opened my eyes. I apologize for everybody who might have laughed before. I’m sure no real harm was intended but admittedly the joke was unfair. It’s just that we’re all tired of the Bruce Lee thing
If all Wing Chun Do practioners have attitudes such as yours then they deserve more respect than traditional Wing Chun practioners since we’re constantly bickering and fighting amongst ourselves
Happy training!
E.C.
No need to apologize
Empty Cup, –> Thank you for your apology but it wasn’t really needed. I take no offense at anything said thus far. Heck, I take the same skeptical attitude towards JKD-ists. just kidding
In any case, I can understand the skeptical attitude since we’re a very new system. Only what? 20-30 years old in it’s establishment. Even so, we’re a system that’s able to modify itself because our Sijo DeMile is still alive. It’s a complete system that can be tweaked. And if something deserves to be tweaked, then once Sijo DeMile agrees to it, then it’s changed. There’s no argument as to whether or not the system was meant to be modified by it’s founder, cuz he’s still here and can have the final say. I’m not saying the system is completely original. But he is the founder since he formed a system from what Bruce Lee taught him and it’s roots from Wing Chun.
Even if we’re a newer system, if it wasn’t good, it wouldn’t have been expanded from Seattle, to Detroit, and there’s a school in Austrailia as well. I think the Small Circle Jiu Jitsu folks can vouch for WCD as a full system and (as far as my knowledge goes) so does all of Bruce Lee’s orginal living students (pre-Jun Fan/JKD days).
By the way, there’s a 2nd Annual WCD Convention held this year in Seattle. We welcome all those who would like to attend any of the events. Details can be found here. If you’re interested, come check it out, if you’re a skeptic come check it out too.
Take Care,
Enree.