Wing Chun and Firearms?????

Close range firefights

My Sifu, William Cheung, works with and trains law enforcement and military people. He began a course to help law enforcement personnel keep calm during firefights. The reason he started teaching this is because a study was made that showed most gunfights occur within a few feet of the perpretrator. The strange thing is that the hit miss ratio was bad. The police officers missed more that they hit. I experienced the same thing that happened to the police during my first firefight in Vietnam. There is a term for what happens, I don’t remember what it is offhand. Maybe someone here does. Anyway, you suffer from some sort of sensory depravation. You lose your sense of smell, hearing and you develop a sort of tunnel vision causing you to lose your firing accuracy. Form what I’m hearing WCK has helped these officers.
Phil

Phil

Phil wrote>

There is a term for what happens, I don’t remember what it is offhand. Maybe someone here does.

Not the “Thousand Yard Stare” ???

Sheldon

Breathing

Marine Corps snipers as well as all Marines are taught to inhale then exhale half way before shooting at a target. There is a stability test used as an example when holding the breath, inhaling, and exhaling.

Geezer,
Michigan recently passed a law that anyone that doesn’t have a felony conviction can get a permit to carry a concealed weapon. The State had to hire extra clerks to process the hoards of applicants…lol. Now you never know who might be packing in Detroit or anywhere else in the State of Michigan.
Phil

Phil

Phil Wrote>

Marine Corps snipers as well as all Marines are taught to inhale then exhale half way before shooting at a target.

Is this taught across the board i.e. Army, Navy and Air???

Phil Wrote>

Now you never know who might be packing in Dertoit or anywhere else in the State of Michigan.

And you wouldn’t believe how much of a deterent this is against voilent crime, statistics show the states that do have the CCW have experienced a drop…I’m just waiting for Ohio to pass the CCW;)

Sheldon

Geezer

I think you’re right. Seems like most of the applicants were form the suburbs and people that have to work in Detroit…lol
It is a common know fact that Marines are the best shots. You must re-qualify evey year. There are 3 catagories of shooters, marksman, sharpshooter, and expert. Those with the marksmanship badge were looked down upon in my day.
Phil

Hi Phil and Geezer,

Yes, the same breathing is still used to train. I don’t know about the other services, but the Army uses the breath in and out. The shot occurs halfway durring exhalation. Never on the top or bottom of the breath, the transition.

Phil, I am not sure if the Marines are the best shoots. LOL. THey may be, but I am not so sure. The Army also has sniper and elite units. I would say that the Marines probably place greater emphisis on shooting than the army and that the Marines have a greater percentage of good shooters. But snippers of both services and the training are good for both. I had a friend in Germany that was a Marine Sniper until he fell off a tower. He was discharged due to injuries. He later joined the Army, they didn’t care about the particular injury but the Marines wouldn’t take him back.

The Army also has the Marksman, Sharpshooter, and expert badges. I always get them mixed up which is the highest. I always scored the highes except once. That actually doesn’t mean much as the standards are not really that difficult. As long as you a decent shot and follow basic shooting principles, you hit the targets. The pistol qualification course is very easy if you know your weapon. The rifle qualification is not to bad, though the long range shots are a bit hard. My problem was trying to focus my eyes on the target. We had a family day once and my wife was able to shoot an M16. LOL, she also scored the highest, which I think is expert. No training.

Tom


Body Science

Tom, Phil,

So what about structure, I read somewhere the other day that when shooting rifles, assault weapons the elbow needs to be down???

Sheldon:)

Tom, Phil,

Tom Wrote>

I am not sure if the Marines are the best shoots. LOL.

Didn’t want to get into this one:D I have two great Uncles that are retired Royal Marine Commandos and another that was a Para.

Sheldon;)

Marine rifleman

Hey guys,
I’m supposed to say the Marine are the best…lol

I know that shooters are indivduals like WChunners.

Marksman is the lowest, then sharpshooter and expert is the best.
Phil

Hi Sheldon,

Yeah, it was a bit of a jab to Phil. LOL. I expect a body blow in return. LOL

I am going to assume you mean hand gun and not rifle shooting. And I assume you mean standing. I may be exceeding my experience in both shooting and wing chun in this post. But oh well, not the first time. When shooting you need a stable base. What ever it takes. With a rifle, you can lie prone or use some sort of support. The worst is standing as you have less support. With hand guns, your probably in a dire situation, if your in the military. But in any case you want to create the stablest base you can. Good solid stance and you want to support the weapon. I think there are different techniques on holding a handgun. I was taught the best is the cup and saucer, if I recall correctly. The firing hand is wrapped around the grips(cup) and the other hand supports the gun in the palm (saucer). The elbows are close to the sides rather than flying out. I would say it is similar to wing chun in that the elbows in make a solid base, but I wouldn’t go to the wing chun extreme.

I actually had a training manual for handgun shooting but I think I lent it to my sister inlaw. It discussed many of the techniques. I do have one for the M16 though.

Tom


GYPSIES ADVICE

Tom

Tom Wrote>

Yeah, it was a bit of a jab to Phil. LOL.

I know…that’s why I threw the Royal Marines and Para out there…it’s amazing how much of a rivalry there is between those two groups.

Tom Wrote>

I am going to assume you mean hand gun and not rifle shooting.

No…it was an Assault weapon he was talking about, I couldn’t quite understand why…but again I related it to WCK.

Tom Wrote>

I was taught the best is the cup and saucer, if I recall correctly. The firing hand is wrapped around the grips(cup) and the other hand supports the gun in the palm (saucer). The elbows are close to the sides rather than flying out.

So you nedver learnt the Gangsta style then…where your hand is about a foot above your head turned sideways…LOL, only kidding, no this makes complete sense to me.

Tom Wrote>

I do have one for the M16 though.

I have the M16s rival;)

Sheldon

FWIW- I am not a particular fan of guns— some of the best gun men I have known are either dead or in prison.

yuanfen

yuanfen Wrote>

FWIW- I am not a particular fan of guns— some of the best gun men I have known are either dead or in prison.

I respect that Joy…“different strokes for different folks”…but please take into account not all responsible mature gun owners are Criminals or Terrorists;)

Sheldon

P.S.The only people that should own/have guns are the ones that pass the background check but like I said Criminals or Terrorists will always have access to illlegal weapons:(