why so many video game warriors???

Wai Jia: The Kung Fu Forum Street/Reality Fighting
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If I read your responses correctly, what you suggest is that a video game can enhance your reflexes and prepare you mentally for the vicissitudes of confrontation."

“To think a thing is not to do a thing.” Yet all things done begin in the Mind.

“To know the timing of pressing the jump button on a game does not prepare you to understand or control your own jumping ability.”

No, to recognize a low attack beginning then react in time to avoid getting hit, is what is going on.~

" The only thing that will do that for you is to physically train jumping. Your mind may say “jump now, forward and to the right, raising your legs at least a foot and a half off the ground to avoid that leg sweep!”, but if your body has not performed such a jump sufficent times to be proficient, your muscles will not respond as desired. The jump in your mind will not ocurr in the real world."

You are the only one of you and I who is inferring that no actuall jumping would be required to Jump.

" The timing of the mind is not the timing of the body."

The mind and body working on the same thing, the mind is first.

“Again, the idea that watching a video game character perform a specific counter against a specific attack will enhance a person’s ability to execute such an attack or counter is in error.”

Yes that’s in error. So get it out of your head and stop saying it. Yet, it would give a notion as to a concept of a possible counter.

" In a game, you see things in the third person, from an observer’s angle. "

You are watching two characters interact is why it is third person. That would be the same if you were watching a two-man set in class. To get something from the video game Look at only one character at a time. Then it’s like class, and watching one instructor (at a time,) from an “observer’s angle”.

“The environment is stylized, the ambiance and pacing set by the program. The contact is not felt, because the contact is not real.”

Take the technique and go hit a wall.

" The exchange cannot be experienced, again because it is not real. It is all only barely in the mind, and not at all in the body. To watch someone drive is not the same as driving."

Correct~, it is merely gaining understanding experience towards your database when you do drive.

And JasBorne is a female so she is not a male.

" Even if the viewpoint was first person, the sensory inputs are drastically limited, the reactions without consequence."

You can’t get broken limbs, bloodied anything nor internal bleeding while observing standard attack patterns by level (upper, middle, low)

Very some such, perhaps might have been, likely say some, some not.

[This message was edited by No_Know on 08-23-01 at 11:03 PM.]

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a yo…

u need to lay off that crack, man… :frowning:

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Jas…

“The real thing, not wushu or taichi.” Come, on! Taiji is real. What makes it less real than Wing Chun? Or did you just mean new-age dance taichi?

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JasBourne

back it up - you don’t know jack about Taiji, else you wouldn’t be slagging it off. Seems to be en endemic problem with WC guys on this board.

Go to a Chen or Yang school and push hands with someone who’s trained at least half the time you have - then you might wake up and smell the coffee.

Jeez

“If ignorance is bliss, why aren’t more people happy?”

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Gents, I was talking about videogames. If you took offense at my including taichi in ‘non-combat’ forms along with wushu, that is your prerogative. It has been my experience that the vast majority of taichi practicioners are not studying for combat.

As for push hands, I’m afraid that I personally am not that impressed with what I have seen so far. Perhaps I just need to observe and/or spar with an advanced and skilled practicioner. I am willing to admit that my exposure to taichi has not been expansive.

My opinion on videogames as martial arts training aids stands.

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“I’m an old lady who does kungfu. The real thing, not wushu or taichi.”

That’s what bothered me.

Soz if I was a bit harsh but it really gets up my nose when people make sweeping generalisations about taiji because of the morons who choose to package it as some health-enhancing breath exercise.

I’d recommend looking for a good Chen or Yang taiji school in your area (post on the taijquan board and ask?) and asking to push hands with someone. They may not go for it, and you may batter them - but my experience has been that you will at least find it interesting.

“If ignorance is bliss, why aren’t more people happy?”

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My comprehension is thatv pushhands is an exercise-ish. There is a certain way it is supposed to go. You can’t validly ask a No_Know-er of push hands play to push hands…they wouldn’t know what they were supposed to do. With enough skill at pushhands, one could take on people who didn’t play T’ai Ch’i Ch’uan (a fight). But that’s after one is expert (not having been doing it for years, decades, scores…), Expert.

As far as JasBourne’s position on videogames as a tool for martial arts training, please note she avoids the points I mentioned~ and a thing being good for something does not mean that it is supposed to be good for everything, which is how she’s addressing it by bringing up silly things as what is being said.

JasBourne addressed her feelings about mental luggage she’s carrying, this daqmaged potentially intelligent, discourse.

JasBourne seems to be an on (not Japanese) person, and bust of Good Luck in her training.

Very some such, perhaps might have been, likely say some, some not.

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No-Know

Wing Chun has its own pushing hands - I train with a few WC guys and we get a lot out of it. Pushing hands is an exercise but it can be trained to an intensity that is as close to a fight as you want it to be (obviously stress factors don’t apply so it is never a replacement). Push hands is an exercise the same way sparring is an exercise.

Jasbourne trains WC - hence my suggestion.

“If ignorance is bliss, why aren’t more people happy?”