[QUOTE=golden arhat;922600]wing chun only works when you go FOOM FOOM FOOM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSAsxPEP7Tk[/QUOTE]
It also works if someone attacks you half assed.You see that lame takedown attempt?It reminded me of my former school.Someone gives you a half assed attack,then you counter it and look cool.Then you test and you walk around thinking you can fight.
[QUOTE=lianweizhi;922672]I’m a CLF practitioner, so naturally I don’t think wing chun is the end all be all. However, based on Donnie Yen’s new Ip Man film, it can certainly look pretty frickin’ bad ass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkHmYJmfuWg[/QUOTE]
Movies can make any art look good.But after I looked at that clip,I watched a wc vs bjj clip.That’ll bring you back to reality.
i havent seen any wng chun people in real life use any sort of footwork, someone plz explain to me? is it they just no good?
i know some south style “every step grows root” and many south styles are boat style, but in traditional term, how weng chun guy can beat northern kung fu with range 5 to 10 meters??
also i never heard of weng chun being rebel style? in 15 year long taiping rebellion led by southern hakka, they used northern kung fu like tanglang, mizong, chuojiao, chai li fut?
i read weng chun forums and they were arguing how to defend a hook punch, lol
anyway, wing chun isnt the end all and be all personally i think MMA is because its constantly evolving and is a mix of everything else so by definition if you mix ALL martial arts then its is the end ALL and be ALL
but then most martial arts are MMA they had to come from somewhere
i think that most martial arts have value but are rarely trained well enough or hard enough to make them work and have become trivialised and over complicated and ritualised
a punch is a punch weitehr its hung gar or whatever you just need to know how you can make it work.
that and do sparring, alot of it, and ground work that always helps
spar good, wrestle good, and train good and you will be good regardless of your style.
Actually, I don’t know of any decent WC practioners that think that WC is the “end all” of the MA.
They all know they strengths and limitations of their art.
well according to one WC practitioner we are all just glorified kick boxers, so what do we know about wing chun. heck it has had ground fighting in it for years and no one knew. not even the guy who started up the wing chun museum. :eek::rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Shaolinlueb;922753]well according to one WC practitioner we are all just glorified kick boxers, so what do we know about wing chun. heck it has had ground fighting in it for years and no one knew. not even the guy who started up the wing chun museum. :eek::rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Wow, got a lot of flak for putting up a clip of a movie that I would have thought kung fu practitioners would have appreciated… in my opinion Ip Man is the best kung fu movie to come out in terms of the choreography since Jet Li’s Fist of Legend. I was just trying to help it get a little exposure out in the West.
I completely understand that movies can make any art look good… as I mentioned, I’m no wing chun lover, but every art has its strengths and weaknesses. As a martial arts practitioner and enthusiast, I appreciate the differences and nuances of all martial arts, be it choy lay fut, bak sil lum, wing chun, or MMA.
With my limited ring and contact experience, I’ve come to the same conclusion many of you have come to - that it’s not as much the style as it is the practitioner. I put in 4-5 hours a week of martial arts training (including timing drills, light sparring, body contitioning, and, yes, form practice) and another 4 hours a week strength and conditioning training, which might not seem like a lot, but it is a challenge to coordinate my engineering job, 7-9 credit hours of MBA courses, and any semblance of a life on top of that. With that level of training sustained over the last 10 years, I’ve been able to decimate kickboxers, grapplers, and kung fu practitioners, but have also had my butt kicked. The common denominator was literally how much better or worse shape I was in and how much more or less fighting experience I had than the other guy. That’s the real end all be all.
The common denominator was literally how much better or worse shape I was in and how much more or less fighting experience I had than the other guy. That’s the real end all be all.
[QUOTE=Shaolinlueb;922753]well according to one WC practitioner we are all just glorified kick boxers, so what do we know about wing chun. heck it has had ground fighting in it for years and no one knew. not even the guy who started up the wing chun museum. :eek::rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
And that should tell you about the sorry state of Wing Chun and kung fu in general, in this era of Mcdojos and Mckung fu.
And please read my previous post on this thread. Oh, couple of fundemental points:
A) Wing Chun is a principle and concept driven style. So use your logic and imagination in regards to that fact.
B) The Hong Kong/Yip Man lineage is not the only lineage of Wing Chun on the planet, even if most of the Western countries are peppered with the Hong Kong franchises of this style.
C) There are other kung fu styles that address groundfighting. This does not mean necessarilly that they roll on the ground for sometimes the best part of 30 minutes with their opponent in a sport scenario.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;922855]And that should tell you about the sorry state of Wing Chun and kung fu in general, in this era of Mcdojos and Mckung fu.
And please read my previous post on this thread. Oh, couple of fundemental points:
A) Wing Chun is a principle and concept driven style. So use your logic and imagination in regards to that fact.
B) The Hong Kong/Yip Man lineage is not the only lineage of Wing Chun on the planet, even if most of the Western countries are peppered with the Hong Kong franchises of this style.
C) There are other kung fu styles that address groundfighting. This does not mean necessarilly that they roll on the ground for sometimes the best part of 30 minutes with their opponent in a sport scenario.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;922855]A) Wing Chun is a principle and concept driven style.
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On this we do not disagree. However we do disagree about the consequences. People don’t fight with concepts. They fight with hands and feet.
C) There are other kung fu styles that address groundfighting. This does not mean necessarilly that they roll on the ground for sometimes the best part of 30 minutes with their opponent in a sport scenario.
Dog boxing involves a lot of rolling and kicks from below. This does not a submission wrestling system make. And if somebody jumps on you it neutralizes it.
Aside from Dog Boxing I can’t recall anything remotely resembling a ground fighting system.
Of course I remain open to you showing me next time you are in my neck of the woods.
honestly though, as for any martial art it boils down to the practitioner. I think the reason people love it so much is because it’s easy to pick up enough to beat an average person… i say pick up enough because to become really really good takes time and effort. But still the basic pak sao will take you lots of places… not many other martial arts have that.
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;922870]When your ultra secret “real authentic kung fu ground fighting” gets you tapped out in under 60 seconds, there is no need for rolling for 30 minutes :D[/QUOTE]
Tapped out… who cares about tapped out? Unless you are into sport fighting:D:p
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