People have said I am racist for even asking the question, I don’t let it bother me. We can only speak of who we know, it’s not prejudiced or bais to do so. It’s sharing info in a positive manor to help others know where the good stuff is.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;870964]ahhhh, (sigh) ok. If you go to NYC’s Chinatown, and go to the parks, ask about a man they call, “Ah-Lik.” He is very good, specializes in Siu Lum Hung Kuen, and he will teach you, but I must warn you, he has the reputation for being, um, shall we say, a bit…eccentric?[/QUOTE]
certainly, then, he would hold no interest for me…:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=TenTigers;870979]well, to be frank-it’s a small world, and naming names means you need to know who wants their names mentioned and who doesn’t.
I know two men in particular,(one, an ex-military/police) who have fought challenge fights in China, and HK, as well as back alleys, etc. (So they have real world experience, against fighters. Perhaps not sport fighters, but then again, sport fighters don’t have knives on them either) One in particular is very quiet, but friendly. But have absolutely no interest in teaching. They might do some push hands with you, but that’s about it. Perhaps if you hung out long enough, got to know them, for a year or two, but as far as I know, they haven’t taken any students.
So, it’s not whether these guys exist or not. It’s whether these guys want to go through the trouble of investing the time and effort (it’s a two-way street) in someone who may or may not be willing to commit themselves to the level that they are accustomed to. Atthis point in their lives, they would rather spend their time relaxing, and playing with their friends.[/QUOTE]
this is pretty much the truth; but consider also, that another reason may be that these guys don’t teach because they weren’t taught how; meaning that they can push / spin fine, but they may be lacking in the apparatus to convey their approach;
I agree. Many people can do Martial Arts, not everyone can convey its sublties. Teaching involves not only good communication skills, but the ability to develop a well thought out curriculum.
it’s funny, but we have the idea in our heads that everyone wants to teach, when in actuality,many people do NOT want to teach. Unfortunately, many systems have died out as a result of this. I have met some people who have absolutely no qualms about having their system die with them.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;870998]I agree. Many people can do Martial Arts, not everyone can convey its sublties. Teaching involves not only good communication skills, but the ability to develop a well thought out curriculum.[/QUOTE]
case in point, Sifu Sam Chin
Sam Ting, different day…
and they love to squat
Is it true that racists have trouble using the quote function?
[QUOTE=unkokusai;871005]Is it true that racists have trouble using the quote function?[/QUOTE]
no, they train in basements…
[QUOTE=cjurakpt;871006]no, they train in basements…[/QUOTE]
Ah…
[QUOTE=unkokusai;871005]Is it true that racists have trouble using the quote function?[/QUOTE]
No, no, RACISTS are the ones who have trouble answering questions directly put to them!
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;871016]No, no, RACISTS are the ones who have trouble answering questions directly put to them![/QUOTE]
it does get confusing; but can you imagine, the nice gentleman on the “Lama seminar” thread actually produced a direct answer to the lineage question we had - the man should be bronzed!
Yes. as pointed out good teachers are hard to find.
Some people are good at whatever they are doing but may not be willing to teach.
anyhoo;
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each style has its own group of people. if you are into a certain style, pretty much everyone knows everyone. The relationship between the student and a teacher in general is private. so technically, if I am not your student, how could I know you are a good teacher.
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people from the same trade do not comment on one another. If we both share the same info of a said style or even within the same line of teachers. We can only say good things and not bad. Because it would bring shame or damage to ourself, too, if we said so and so are not good. You do not deface your own people and schools etc.
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ask a few people in a certain style, pretty soon you would find the right teacher within the style.
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agreed that dynamic between a teacher and a student is critical.
a good teacher for me and may not be good for you.
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Teachers that I would recommend are the people that I know.
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Tony Yang for mantis, ba ji from ohio.
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Jason Tsou for yin ba gua, and swordplay from east LA.
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John Wang for Cheng style shuai Jiao from Texas.
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They have students actively participating in tournaments or sword fights etc.
" people from the same trade do not comment on one another. If we both share the same info of a said style or even within the same line of teachers. We can only say good things and not bad. Because it would bring shame or damage to ourself, too, if we said so and so are not good. You do not deface your own people and schools etc."
Very interesting.
How come there are wing chun teachers who wrote on their web sites saying that they were not happy with their former teachers and the reasons why they left? However, they never mentioned their former teachers’ names.
Hitman
I always thought the best chinese teacher in america was David Caradine…
This is a hard question to answer.
having a high profiule or being well advertised doesn’t equate to the best. I think after a few years living in a capitalist society, we should all have the wool thoroughly scrubbed from our eyes by now.
There are many absolutely terrific teachers of Chinese Heritage who are virtually unknown all over the world.
cest la vie.
seeking a good teacher is really an individual persuit.
Each of us has different needs, progression–
a certain teacher may teach or guide us a certain aspect of those persuits.
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[QUOTE=Hitman;871087]" people from the same trade do not comment on one another. If we both share the same info of a said style or even within the same line of teachers. We can only say good things and not bad. Because it would bring shame or damage to ourself, too, if we said so and so are not good. You do not deface your own people and schools etc."
Very interesting.
How come there are wing chun teachers who wrote on their web sites saying that they were not happy with their former teachers and the reasons why they left? However, they never mentioned their former teachers’ names.
Hitman[/QUOTE]
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if some one asked your teacher, it is better to say he is good.
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if some one asked among the students, are you the best? or commenting on fellow students.
it is better to say that I practice the hardest or most diligently. so and so has talents. so and so stayed the longest and learned the most from a teacher.
pick something good to say, it is all good will and good politics.
never and never say you are the best and everyone else is no good and your teacher is no good b/c–
how good we are has to come out of other people’s mouth and not ours.
even then we have to be humble and joke away.
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:D;)
Biased or not
Gm Tony Yang
Gm Marlon Ma
Gm Su YU Chang
Gm Huang
Gm Tai Yim
Gm Sun De Yao
Gm Chan
Gm Hsu
M Tsou
Gm KUrt Wong
Gm Henry Chung
GM Lilly Lau
GM ON ON ON ON the list is long
Seeing how i have met and know many of these very well i can honestly say that this list is full of high quality “Chinese Bloodline” Teachers
THese are all Chinese/ both PROC and ROC
However the list hurts some really high quality western GM
LIke
GM Mike Barry
GM NIck Gracenin
MASTER NICK SCRIMA
oh and in the spirit of comedy let us NOT FORGET
GRAND MASTER FLASH AND MASTER P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUopaN9ID0Q&feature=related
for people doing tai ji.
see how many teachers you recognise?
yes most of them passed away.
some are still living and may come to the states off and on.
such as
Chen style 4 kings or tian wang.
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Zhu tian cai. (school in LA and san francisco)
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Chen xiao wan (NY and LA)
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Chen Zhen Lei (TX)
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Wang Xi An ( do not travel, have to go to visit him in Chen Jia Gou)
At the end there is no good or bad teacher, because each individual has different pursuits; for example, if you are interested in the skill of qinna, you will most likely, look for Dr. Yang, Mr. Lin, etc., because these individuals have proven to have some proficiency in this particular area. (In case someone is curious why I stated proficiency; at the end of day it is an opinion, because others may argue your comment, which is valid.)
However, they are maybe others, who have achieve a level proficiency, i.e., qinna, that we arent aware of; I gather, these individuals prefer it like this. You may say it is their own personal achievements, not meant for others to know. Hey, werent you supposed to keep your skills a secret?
In my humble opinion, true art of pugilism isnt meant for the masses; hence, the notion of close-door students. ::eek: