A lot of TCMA teacher teach what they think the majority of their students want to learn, typically, forms and such.
Fighting is left for those that show an interest in that.
Interesting clips. In part two he is talking about how todays students don’t have as much respect for the teacher, and how in the old days the teachers could tell a student to practice for hours, but you can’t today.
Which i find funny because there are gymnastics clubs in every major city who train just as hard as Kung Fu people do, for hours and hours and hours and they don’t seem to have this problem. The same goes for any other fighting discipline as well. Not to mention Dancers, competitive ice skaters, and marathon competitors, and weight lifters, body builders, Old Time strong men, Yoga practitioners and just general health club junkies. etc…
The training he was talking about is not that type.
I think Master Chan might be more well known for his medical teachings.
How well did his students perform in fighting competitions?
I don’t know how well they have done in competitions, all their opponets are dead so I can’t ask them.
I am specifically interested in who the top Chinese teachers are, not the Western ones. I know there are plenty of high quality Western teachers of Kung Fu.
Also, it is NOT racists to recognize that Kung Fu COMES from China, and want to know who that countries top exponents are. This thread has nothing to do with your modern liberal, multicultural propaganda, and I have no intention of taking part in that crap, so keep your politics off my thread.
So Chinese as in from mainland China and Taiwan (or other predominately Chinese territories/countries)? Do American born Chinese count? BTW, you made it political with your idiotic nonsensical rant just because someone complained about your racist question Not his fault you aren’t specific enough or didn’t explain yourself well. Your question as written is pretty dumb.
[SIZE=“3”]Thanks B-Rad; I thought I read it wrong.
RDS Alias-1A, I do hope you arent taking this personal, but you question left it self open to questioning; just that. You must realize it is an opinion and as you well know that varies from personal to personal.
Maybe if it was rephrase question; for example: who do we consider to be top classical style instructors in the United States and from what generation?
In my humble opinion that is crucial, which generation, because that determines a lot; for example, you want fighting per se; you want to train with someone, who can physically demonstrated it, or if you want theories then someone, who is wiser will do. [/SIZE]
At this point I would rather keep this strictly to the Chinese teachers only.
As for how I would answer my own question, I have already mentioned Johnny Tsai and his Father (who is in Shandong currently). also, Wai Lun Choi is highly respected as an old style teacher whos emphasis is on actual fighting usage.
Does anyone have any other Chinese masters that are really good?
I have an obvious bias, but I’ll throw my teacher’s name in the hat
Sifu Tai Yim (Yim Tai). Teaches Shaolin Hung Fut (Hung Kuen Fut Jeong). The style is a few hundred years old (not sure what qualifies ‘real’ old shcool). My sifu fought with it successfully both in the street and in competetive venues.
To me what makes the school good is the environment to improving ones’ selves that the school facilitates in a broad spectrum of avenues; Physical, Spiritual, Theological, personal, competetive, morally, etc.
In addition, the school has produced examples of competetive success and/or respectful recognition in the gamut of what many consider traditional Chinsese martial arts: Fighting, Sets, History, Culture, Art, Lion/Dragon Dance, Philosophy, Humanity, Competition, and a host of things that can help supplement an individual’s development to become a decent human being
One of the things I could learn from his success is perseverence (sp?) in his pursuit for what he wanted to do in life which was teach Hung Fut in the U.S. And the lessons learned and sometimes required in adapting how to teach in order to keep a balance so that what is being taught doesn’t die out. One thing that anyone could learn from him, of course, is Hung Fut kung fu.
There you go RD. A straight answer to your questions.
[QUOTE=brothernumber9;870944]I have an obvious bias, but I’ll throw my teacher’s name in the hat
Sifu Tai Yim (Yim Tai). Teaches Shaolin Hung Fut (Hung Kuen Fut Jeong). The style is a few hundred years old (not sure what qualifies ‘real’ old shcool). My sifu fought with it successfully both in the street and in competetive venues.
To me what makes the school good is the environment to improving ones’ selves that the school facilitates in a broad spectrum of avenues; Physical, Spiritual, Theological, personal, competetive, morally, etc.
In addition, the school has produced examples of competetive success and/or respectful recognition in the gamut of what many consider traditional Chinsese martial arts: Fighting, Sets, History, Culture, Art, Lion/Dragon Dance, Philosophy, Humanity, Competition, and a host of things that can help supplement an individual’s development to become a decent human being
One of the things I could learn from his success is perseverence (sp?) in his pursuit for what he wanted to do in life which was teach Hung Fut in the U.S. And the lessons learned and sometimes required in adapting how to teach in order to keep a balance so that what is being taught doesn’t die out. One thing that anyone could learn from him, of course, is Hung Fut kung fu.
There you go RD. A straight answer to your questions.[/QUOTE]
ahhhh, (sigh) ok. If you go to NYC’s Chinatown, and go to the parks, ask about a man they call, “Ah-Lik.” He is very good, specializes in Siu Lum Hung Kuen, and he will teach you, but I must warn you, he has the reputation for being, um, shall we say, a bit…eccentric?
when you go to see him, besides bringing a hefty lai-see, you should also bring a bottle of Sho Chiku Bai Nigori Sake, and a bottle of Ng Ka Pei.
oh yeah, and one of Sanjuro’s girls. He’ll know the one.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;870966]when you go to see him, besides bringing a hefty lai-see, you should also bring a bottle of Sho Chiku Bai Nigori Sake, and a bottle of Ng Ka Pei.
oh yeah, and one of Sanjuro’s girls. He’ll know the one.[/QUOTE]
Hey !
You know how hard it is to get her???
And I thought we were gonna keep “Ah-Lik” under wraps?
You know guys, if I had asked who the top MMA teachers were, I’d have 20 names by now, but instead I asked who the top Chinese teachers are and you all do nothing but make stupid jokes and accusations of racisim. Only a couple posts got with the program. What is wrong with you people?
well, to be frank-it’s a small world, and naming names means you need to know who wants their names mentioned and who doesn’t.
I know two men in particular,(one, an ex-military/police) who have fought challenge fights in China, and HK, as well as back alleys, etc. (So they have real world experience, against fighters. Perhaps not sport fighters, but then again, sport fighters don’t have knives on them either) One in particular is very quiet, but friendly. But have absolutely no interest in teaching. They might do some push hands with you, but that’s about it. Perhaps if you hung out long enough, got to know them, for a year or two, but as far as I know, they haven’t taken any students.
So, it’s not whether these guys exist or not. It’s whether these guys want to go through the trouble of investing the time and effort (it’s a two-way street) in someone who may or may not be willing to commit themselves to the level that they are accustomed to. Atthis point in their lives, they would rather spend their time relaxing, and playing with their friends.
[QUOTE=bodhitree;870962]I hear there’s a good guy named Chen, one called Wang, there’s a Li somewhere in the northeast, oh, and a Hu on first, wen on second.
Who’s on second?
No. Hu is on first, Wen is on second.
What do you mean when, whenever whoever is on first gets there, now what’s the guys name on first…[/QUOTE]
