BL - lots of people do hi-rep ab work and get great abs from it. Including some pro athletes. But it is not necessary, the same muscle mass and density can be gained from low rep heavy ab work, which usually consists of specialized exercises. That along with calorie control, and overall exercise taxing the system, but not necessarily emphasizing the body part in question, can produce the same aesthetic result. I think that’s what Ironfist meant to say.
Ironfist,
I am shocked that I did not think of this sooner.
The answer is YOGA. Yoga would really do it for her.
It works wonders better than wonder bread.
mickey
^ Yoga’s good for developing muscular control but I’m not sure how many calories it burns.
Actually, Yoga is something I’m interested in learning more about.
Ironfist,
I took up Hatha yoga as a college elective. I found that it opens up the energy pathways, making the body more efficient in its energy expenditures and requirements. It also improves all of the processes of the body. I have seen people that seem to have a set build “restructure” their bodies via the slimming down process that yoga offers. It tends to generate an internal body heat.
While I would recommend Hatha Yoga, have her explore the various types to see what she would gravitate to.
As far as the muscle building aspect, there is some; but it is more of a coordinated, integrated, strength development that bodybuilding does not offer. This is a feature that Matt furey offers with his bodyweight exercises. The popularity of Matt Furey’s bodyweight exercises, in time, will bring more people to yoga because it is more complete.
mickey
Originally posted by IronFist
[B]
Whoa… Bi-polar much? [/B]
lol…snapped ha…you’ll just have to sue me…
Really good luck to her but don’t ride me about me about it, I care …but not that much…
good suggestion on the yoga but I’m still saying pilates…I was a big advocate for matt furey a while back, its just that my system is better 
IF – mickey is right (how could he be wrong with such a great product named after him ;)). yoga, particularly hatha, would be a fantastic answer.
the only piece of gear required for yoga is a floor, so no gear purchases are required, and it’s something she could do long after her body decides it no longer likes to run. it’ll also help her health, posture, etc. as she ages.
****, why aren’t we all doing yoga? :mad:
I gotta agree with those on here who recommended HIIT. Long sustained effort aerobic exercise isn’t the best way to lose fat by far. Long sustained endurance activities are fed primarily through through aerobic pathways meaning that the muscles get their energy from chemical reactions involving oxygen (ie their breathing) Some fat is burned for energy, but fatloss from LSE activities usually comes from a calorie deficit in the recovery after a workout.
Sprints and other high intensity exercises go right to the source to burn fat. Their fast, intense nature means that the body is getting it’s energy via anaerobic means (ie sugar/glycogen stores in the muscles) When the muscles run out of glycogen deposits, it dips directly into fat stores to get energy to perform the activity. After all, fat is just stored glycogen. So not only do you actively burn fat to complete the workout, but you also burn fat during recovery because of the caloric deficit created by such intense activity.
I know you like Thibadeau, so check out his Running Man article for t-mag:
Thanks for the info, Ford. I’ll look over that article.
I’m always gratified when Ford agrees with me. It means I’ve probably got something right.
I dont think you boys understand what I’m suggesting she do and how she should carry it out. To work out this way is worth three of what your describing. By using full body isometric contractions under short bursts of varied speed and intesity at varied anlges then alternate that with bull body isometric hyper - extensions also at varied speeds length angles and directions…addd oxygen saturation vs deprivation alternatively and you have a rapid fitness and flexibilty increase for a start and you also get maximum density like serious iron core density…you will burn fat extreely quickly doing this and if it’s your gooal to rip up..providing your recoverery eats are monitored …You will no doubt about it, achieve that in a very short period of time. Triple your workout in less time…I challenge you to try it, come back after 30 days and tell me you ( and evry one else) haven’t noticed the iprovement. Time is not nesseccary here proving each uscle group has been worked while stretched and contracted, stretched back out and allowed to settle at as any angles/heights/lengths etc as you’re up for.
I think I will try that in the future. Maybe I’ll start next time I get sand kicked in my face and my girl stolen by the beach bully. Thanks for the tip, Charles Atlas.
Just giving you a hard time. While posing/isometrics should be part of every bodybuilder’s and pretty-boy’s routine, it isn’t the optimal way of “getting ripped”. That’s more of the smoke and mirrors, all show and no go way. I think most here prefer the methods that will get you strong and healthy and look it rather than just looking it.
wedgey not neccessary…
come on ford, just 'cause it looks pretty doesn’t mean it’s not functional…of course ontop of that you would have your boxing, footwork, grappling throws and takedowns, stance training etc…I’m telling you it’s the sublte differences that makes the difference from a good working body to a great one in any situation. Who’s Charles Freakin Atlas anyway?
Defensive?.. weren’t we just talking about a chick who wanted to lose weight? Look, I was hospitalised some yrs back for being too slim…They made me put on 21kgs, I got out did this and lost the bulk of it in 6 -9 wks, the safety of which is debateable, but nothing but sweet smelling sweat inside my hair… …
you know what, dont try it but speaks for itself I think…
Blooming,
I have 6% bodyfat and am already pretty strong and obviously have a good deal of definition. All this with the goal of making myself strong and healthy. I lift heavy weights. I run, bike, and swim long distances and through series of short sprints to work different areas of respiratory health. I do high repition calesthenics to premote endurance. I swing kettlebells and leverage bars for general conditioning.
I don’t need some trick to make me look good, since I already do and I’m in great health and strong too.
Charles Atlas was a famous bodybuilder in the 50’s and the guy who introduced routines like yours to the American public. His most famous add was a guy on a beach with a girl, and the guy gets bullied and his girl stolen. He sends away for Mr Atlas’s routine, and shows up all ripped to shreds to steal his girl back.
Dynamic tension and isometric routines do work. By “work”, I mean they will help bring about definition through nervous system stimulation and by making your muscles appear denser because of the high fiber recruitment and tension involved in completing them. People may laugh, but posing like bodybuilders do on stage is HARD work-out. It will burn calories and give visible results.
What is won’t do is make you much stronger. Nor will it premote joint strength and health. Nor will it premote cardio vascular health. Nor will it premote strength and endurance through a larger range of motion. Obviously it would for people coming off inactivity, but for anybody already in any sort of decent shape, it won’t. This is why I say that people here are concerned with being strong and healthy with a good look coming as a side effect rather than looking strong and healthy but not really being it. All show and no go.
Sorry, but science has backed me up on this. There were numerous studies done on routines like this both here in America and in the Soviet Union because it was so popular back in the 60’s. It was found to be grossly incomplete for the reasons I mentioned.
Ford
If you have read any my earlier posts you would have read that I absolutely concur. Looking good is a bi-product of a having a body that works. I still don’t think you understand what I am saying. Of course this would not be the total sum of your workout, but the extra aspects would pend your individual needs and objectives. AS far as endurance, My father was the fastest man in his country over 20 (??) miles and I have also claim to long distance and endurance achievements myself. I have been extremely privilged to grow up with his knowledge and have been lucky enough to have trained proffessionally with him since I was very little, as is my now 10yr old daughter having trained with me all her life. I am extremely densed muscled and unexpectedly strong for a little chick, stronger (and more skilled) than most people I meet ( although body fat is up jus’ a little …have been in illness recovery and giving myself a well deserved break). In normal times I work out up to 12 hrs every day and am passionate about making my body work to the absolute best of my knowledge with the information I have ( its my vocation, my life study even) . I have studied ( as most of us have, either personally or formally and amongst many other things) various aspects of health, fitness,biomechanics,energy systems ( particulary fat burning) and nutrition. It is very rare that I meet someone who has something to teach me in reguard to this. Not to discredit you because I’m sure you have alot of knowledge yourself, but I’m not wrong ford…sorry
OK, BL. Maybe you should bring your findings to Olympic and professional sports trainers. You can become a rich man and trainer of champions. Don’t forget to read research from the past 40 years though. That could be embarassing.
I have actually seriously considered doing that…:o
I’d love to talk tech with bio-scientists…(considering my IQ’'s 10 points + higher than their average)…
I had a great business plan for a mentoring clinic come training institute or a new fangled health and fitness system available to the public for the first time (as course submmission while studying business mgt) and have no doubt I could be a competitive olympic athlete…but ego aside ,what’s the point? I don’t even see the point in competeion…I jus wanna train
( I guess that’s why I don’t instruct anymore, I’m kind of selfish that way)
but on another note… time consuming training is good motivation to create long lasting, high revenued solid business plans that look after themselves with as little paper work as possible…( translation, the long dollar)…more time to train and study…no “work” neccessary…not that I’m materialistic, but a girls gotta live
lol!
Originally posted by blooming lotus
[B]I have actually seriously considered doing that…:o
I’d love to talk tech with bio-scientists…(considering my IQ’'s 10 points + higher than their average)…
I had a great business plan for a mentoring clinic come training institute or a new fangled health and fitness system available to the public for the first time (as course submmission while studying business mgt) and have no doubt I could be a competitive olympic athlete…but ego aside ,what’s the point? I don’t even see the point in competeion…I jus wanna train
( I guess that’s why I don’t instruct anymore, I’m kind of selfish that way)
but on another note… time consuming training is good motivation to create long lasting, high revenued solid business plans that look after themselves with as little paper work as possible…( translation, the long dollar)…more time to train and study…no “work” neccessary…not that I’m materialistic, but a girls gotta live [/B]
I’m just gonna go over here and laugh hysterically for a while now, mmmkay?
puts on Ryu mask
Hey… you… man
stop disrespecting that lady!! :mad: