what do you think is a more powerful strike and why?
a) palmstrike
b) punch
Hi sel,
We really need to stop meeting like this, people are going to talk;)
On a more serious note. I am not sure I can really give my response to your question in the way that you are requesting.
I think both strikes have a lot of merit, usefullness, and power in different situations. To choose just one seems impossible for me.
While a good palm strike or punch placed and timed right can be the end of a fight, I am of the mindset that combination (punch, palm strike, punch etc, each strike in motion before previous one is completed) would be more effective, particularily those who are very skilled at blocking techniques.
That makes a whole lot of sense to me. As I said, I can’t say which is more powerful as they both can be equally as powerful in very different situations, hence the reasoning for the combo preference…lol why settle on one when you can have it all.
Just my thoughts on it,
Vicky
Re: what is more powerful?
Originally posted by sel
[B]what do you think is a more powerful strike and why?
a) palmstrike
b) punch [/B]
I think a palmstrike is more powerful. Why is it such a powerful blow? Because it utilises one of the body’s hardest natural points. The thick mass of bone at the base of the palm and the wrist junction doesn’t need any conditioning prior to use the way the fist does. Also the palm is more relaxed than the fist and there is no need to tighten it like the fist, like some people do, in the last few inches before impact.
Also surface area of the palm is greater than knuckles and palm aligment with forearm is more natural than fist alignment. Try making a tight fist. It is easy to wobble it up and down if you apply pressure on it. With your palm open however it is very hard to wobble. Therefore power from the palm is direct and is not lost in any joint (eg wrist).
Palm strike is known to cause internal damage…power travels deeper than punch…
Hello,
Intersting question?
I think the answer is very simple but I will ask a question before giving my thoughts!
What is the difference between the Yat Jee Chung Choi and the Pin (Wang) Jeung?
Looking forward to some thoughts!
Regards,
Originally posted by Jim Roselando
[B]Hello,
Intersting question?
I think the answer is very simple but I will ask a question before giving my thoughts!
What is the difference between the Yat Jee Chung Choi and the Pin (Wang) Jeung?
Looking forward to some thoughts!
Regards, [/B]
Yat Jee Chung Choi is the first fist strike in SLT section 1 starting from Sau keun. Wang Jeung is the upward palm strike that occurs in section 3 of SLT after Ngoi jut sau
Think about the WC proverb: “yee yau tsai gong”… “use soft to subdue hard”.
The palm strike (soft strike) is effective against hard surfaces/targets (eg, skull) and will cause a more internal injury. The family of punches (hard strike) is effective against soft surfaces/targets (softer parts of the body) and the injuries tend to be more superficial. Hence, both are effective depending on how they are used.
Marcelino31,
I am not asking where it is located in the forms of the art. I am basically asking what is the difference between them in structural alignment?
If you know the answer to that then I believe you know the answer to the original question being asked!
Sorry for the answerring questions with questions but I want to see what others think of before giving my belief!
Looking forward to some thoughts!
Regards,
Originally posted by ntc
Think about the WC proverb: “yee yau tsai gong”… “use soft to subdue hard”…The palm strike (soft strike) is effective against hard surfaces/targets (eg, skull) and will cause a more internal injury. .
Sorta like beating someone with a bag of oranges!
Alpha Dog… are you trying to make a joke?
The palm strike and the punches form the internal and external strike tools of WC. There are specific reasons why they exist. If used correctly, they are both very powerful.
By the way, hitting someone with a bag of oranges can hurt if struck at the right place… the groin (wouldn’t want to be me), or the nose (it can break the nose).
Hello again,
Well, since nobody has hit on my question of the question I will just give out the answer I believe in!
The original question was:
what do you think is a more powerful strike and why?
a) palmstrike
b) punch
The answer is neither! They are both equal. Its not the end tool but the path of the tool driving it home.
If you look at the alignment of the Sun Punch and the Side Palm you will see that the only difference is the hand position! Both make use of the exact same alignment! Extend your hand out to the Sun Fist position and then leave it in that same position and open the hand to form it in the Side Palm position. No difference, just a different tool. It all about how we deliver the power.
Regards,
Originally posted by ntc
Alpha Dog… are you trying to make a joke?
No. Didn’t you see “Grifters”?
Alpha Dog:
No, pardon the ignorance… what is “Grifters”?
It’s a movie where that technique I described is employed. Get it at Blockbuster this weekend!
Sounds good… I will make a stop to Blockbuster if time permits. Thanks for the recommendation.
I also recommend Donny Brasco. Don’t watch either if you’re on a date, though! You’ll be back online by 10 PM.
Hi Jim,
Sorry couldn’t get to take a stab at your question before now. I was tending to my anonymous email stalker/impersonator/internet warrior, who feels I have nothing substantial to contribute to this forum and feels it is better if I just leave here.<<think it is part of my hazing to become a bonafide memeber of the Illuminati, Wooohoo, another rung up in the enlightenment ladder.>> LOL
Annyyyyyyway…back to WC,
The answer is neither! They are both equal. Its not the end tool but the path of the tool driving it home.
I agree completely, and think I said the something pretty much to the same effect in my post prior to your question.
Best Regards,
Vicky
I still go with my first reply, a palm is more powerful than a fist.
I have yet to see someone break as many bricks with a fist as they do with a palm… If you don’t believe it try doing it yourself…
Hello Vicky/Marcelino,
Vicky!
So, you have a stalker huh! Watch out for those internet wackos! Glad to see we agree as it has to be that way IMO!
Marcelino!
I have to disagree with you. If you take my example of Sun Punch and Side Palm you cannot deny that the two are basically one! So, there is no way one can be more powerful!
As for the breaking of bricks, all I would say is the main reason is people do not feel like cutting their knuckles but I would be pretty confident that it was the path of force breaking the bricks and not the shape of the hand. The palm would not get scratched up on the rough surface but if someone put a little cover on the knuckles (or on the bricks) it would not be any different.
Perhaps you could explain to me why the Side Palm would be more powerful than the Sun Punch if both hold the same structure?
Looking forward to more chat!
Regards,
Palm strikes have less of chance of breaking so you can go full blast. A good structured fist( back of the fist flat with the forearm i think is more damaging. TO me it has a more of a piercing quality. The problem is the fear of spraining my wrist. I prefer ginger though.
Hi Jim,
Well its mostly for the reasons you already stated… all other things being equal it might be possible for a fist to equal a palm.
But in terms of application i believe that a palm anatomically can deliver a more powerful strike because the surface area at the point of contact is greater than the knuckle. Also the contact point is nearer to the wrist and not at the knuckles so the power is more focused. As mentioned already the knuckles are very fragile and in UFC competitions a broken knuckle ring or pinky finger is very common. It is therefore safer and i feel therefore more logical to assume that a more powerful blow can be delivered with a palm.