Well…
Basicly, genericly and definetively -> energy, my friend
Chi = a way of explaing things that happen in the human body for which TCMA has no clear terminology.
Life force.
Stuff.
Hmmm
Intrinsic energy- the way how the body works energetically for which western civilisation has no clear terminology.
Chi in case of western medicine/modern medicine chi could be considered “bioelectricity” I think,TCM could use that too though.
Basically energy,even if you would not believe in it you could still benefit from using it as a metaphor etc.
Chi is 2 things…2 interrelated things.
On one level its a way fot fake kung fu/. chi kung teachers to cash in on the gulability of “students”.
And on the second level its a way of stooooopid students to fill gap in their half lives that they are to scared to fill with real hard work.
hmmmm
How long Liokault did you study with a Chi orientated teacher and then decide that it was all rubbish? I take it you have come to this decision in a balanced way using such tools as reason and logic?
my view is very similar to Former castlevas.
And Liokault is a fool for being so nieve
How long Liokault did you study with a Chi orientated teacher and then decide that it was all rubbish? I take it you have come to this decision in a balanced way using such tools as reason and logic?
I have trained with my teacher for over a edecade and he is the type who will not express a preferance either way about chi…just lets you make up your own mind.
I am sure that he could have made a lot more money by talking about chi and saying how powerfull it is instead of just putting people in situations where they will sweat and bleed for years.
My own opinion comes from talking to a huge range of tai chi peopke over 13 or so years…none of whom could convince me or even offer vague evidance for chi. Oh and my above post manly comes from other very similar threads on chi.
Hmmm
So all your knowledge doesn’t come from experience it comes from hearsay? Don’t you think its a little one sided to make those comments or hold those believes without actually studying for a while with someone who claims to be able to provide Qi experiences? Call me wrong but it even by most western scientific minds be deemed as logical and conclusive to do so, so why do you feel cold towards a topic which you do not care to get involved in?
Not wanting to raise your ire or anything, just genuinely interested Liokault!
Chi is sevenstars left elbow.
I havent had the pleasure of the right, yet.
chi…
the focus of the will and intent, respiration, nervous system, metabolism, superior mind-body connection.
Ok I have expressed my view on chi on countless threads and even put up an ironic sig but here goes again.
repulsive
Over the years I have met and even trained with many people who have told me they belive in chi. Some have told me they could do variouse “tricks” with chi (Tricks is my word not theres).
Not one of the “tricks” was impressive and there was not one that could not be done buy a guy sat in a pub.
So why am i going to go and devote my time to learning from these clearly bogus guys?
When I met my Tai Chi teacher he could de,onstraight his art from day one in clear terms i.e throwing me round with very little effort as could some of his students. I am not about to waist my time with any half assed magician. Now if you want to do so thats up to you and maybe if you tslk your self into it you can belive that your notwaisting your time.
ok the other thing about peoples belife in chi is that it is somthing differant to every individual.
So to me if it can not be deffined as one thing then its nothing…and it definatly can not be used to push people over with out toutching them.
Ok now my question.
How many of you chi belivers think that chi can be projected and used to manipulat of push an object/person with out totching it/them?
Chi is my second cousin on my Mothers’ side.
Sorry, I’ll shut up and go away now.
Chi is beyond words and beyond understanding. Words may be used to speak of it, but they cannot contain it.
At the level I’m at, it’s a functional definition. When my opponent and I are in contact, like when one of us has bridged, If I try to determine where he’s going by watching, all I’ll see if him hitting me. Therefore, in order to save time, I will feel for the kinetic ENERGY of him moving, the direction and speed. This is faster than sight, because I can feel this before he has visibly moved. Therefore, I have bought myself time, and more time means more opportunities to command the rhythm of the fight.
Now, there are places that it is easier to feel the kinetic energy of my oponent’s motion from, and places on me where I shouldn’t make contact because I can’t feel as well. For instance, I should be careful not to block with my wrist, as sensitivity on my wrist(i.e. nerves feeling) is not as good as on the bridge of my arm. I do not think of these places in relation to meridians and cavities while doing this, I just use them to my advantage.
In addition, if I feel a lot of kinetic energy from my opponent, then I may be able to use that energy by moving in the direction that it leads, but adding onto it from my own resources so that I finish moving before my opponent, even though my opponent started first, and of course, I end the movement with an attack or dominating manuever of some sort. I do not think of it in terms of blocking his or her meridians/chi flow, I just collapse them where their structure is vulnerable.
I do not concern myself overly much with the source of the kinetic energy. I can sometimes feel when my energy(kinetic) or my classmates’ is in a poor direction or lazy or overly strained from bad structure(again, bad direction). But, once it is done effectively, I do not concern myself with whether there is energy pouring out of their spleen or some such thing. I just feel for that energy, understand its intent, and find resolution.
As far as health, it is similar. When I am in good health, and I do chi kung, it makes me mindful of my posture in great detail. When I am properly aligned, and my tendons and muscles are not tight, kinetic energy can flow from point A to point B smoothly and without hitch. When there is something preventing me from good body mechanics, I do not concern myself with whether energy is becoming trapped there and stagnating. I merely solve the difficulty and move more smoothly.
All of the exercizes I have that are supposed to be advanced chi kung appear to have the same effect, i.e. enabling me to move freely in a deeper sense. Freed movement frees my mind from having to worry about that movement. Freed mind enables me to move to the next step, etc.
Liokault,
I’ve pushed people over without touching them with anything but my chi. I’ve also changed traffic lights with it.
my left elbow.
to me, it’s body mechanics. However, one day several months ago, someone in the KFO chat room posed a theory that chi is metabolism, and he had a pretty damn good reasoning behind it, if I remember right. I think it was goktimus, but I can’t remember. Was anyone else there, or can anyone explain how chi = metabolism?