I’m not impressed with the speech.
Not sure how different kung fu fighting look from whatever other fighting he was speaking about.
I want to see someone use " USE YOUR EAGLE" in a san shou fight…
well, phuck you eddie!!!
i’m not impressed with you and your south african ways…
just kidding…in a good mood this morning…anyone got glaucoma medicine?
eddie, what i feel he meant, is if you are clf, lets see, sow choy, biu jong, upper cuts, chop choys, things that will identify you to a specific style.
i admit, if you are a kung fu man, and you are fighting and representing a style, then you SHOULD like something relative to that system.
another example, if you saw a guy using alot of kicks, you are more likely to believe he has tae kwon do in him without really knowing.
if a guy used chain punches in the manner wing chun uses them then you will be labeled as wing chun-ish…
do you see what i mean?
if choy lee fut never used a sow choy, a chop or what ever, how would you know he was clf?
at the same time,
if you are a fighter, then you know you will have to modify your martial arts to blend into your own personal fighting method. kung fu is the tool, its how we use that tool is what matters.
In my opinion, a fighter who loves choy lee fut is going to look at it and take what he feels will be beneficial and effective according to his own needs. he will understand that much of traditional methods will either have to be thrown out or modified for real life combative usage.
as i’ve stated in the past, my sifu alwaystold me to pick like 6-7 moves in clf and master those. in his opinion, that was all you were going to need.
or lemme put it like this, you put a kung fu guy vs a muay thai guy…who in your opinion is going to stay true to his system and be recognized as doing so?
so if THEY can do so, then why can’t we?
phuck yes, i see kung fu people all the time in competition and couldn’t tell what system they were. however, the one thing i love about the Buk Sing lineage, is when they fight, you know they’re choy lee fut…its phuckin obvious!
I guess it’s a good thing my Long Fist already looks like kickboxing, then.
really? why?
whats up my friend?
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[QUOTE=hskwarrior;809137]really? why?
whats up my friend?[/QUOTE]
Because when I fight it looks like my forms.
Well gahdamm!!!
I thought it was interesting how he said Bruce Lee was the last person who was really a Kung-Fu hero or whatever, yet Bruce was denouncing being style specific, and said and tried to get everyone to understand what the truth behind combat is not in specific styles.
I do see what youre saying frank, and I agree with you. But, I didnt like the way this guy said what he said. To me it seemed that he is giving the impression that chinese martial arts usually takes a back seat amongs other martial arts (and he compared us with karate and taekwon dodo - how low could he have gone).
Heres a video for you frank. Someone told me this is Frisco style 
enjoy
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ggN7Ic5cv7w
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hey…
isn’t “okay2begay” a city in south africa?
one thing i will give to bruce lee is that he had the vision.
although he didn’t realize to accomplish the goals he did, every student must take the same steps he took because you have to crawl before you walk…
lemme know know what newborn baby came sprinting out the you know what!?!?!?
to reach that level of what some may say “enlightenment” you have to experience all you can before you truly see all martial arts as relative.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;809429]one thing i will give to bruce lee is that he had the vision.
although he didn’t realize to accomplish the goals he did, every student must take the same steps he took because you have to crawl before you walk…
lemme know know what newborn baby came sprinting out the you know what!?!?!?
to reach that level of what some may say “enlightenment” you have to experience all you can before you truly see all martial arts as relative.[/QUOTE]
Wow Frank, never heard anyone say exactly how I see it. I thought I was the only one who saw it that way. JKD, to me, seems to be trying to start education off at the 12th grade.
JKD was the culmination of Bruce Lee’s personal journey. There are no shortcuts.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;809429]one thing i will give to bruce lee is that he had the vision.
although he didn’t realize to accomplish the goals he did, every student must take the same steps he took because you have to crawl before you walk…
lemme know know what newborn baby came sprinting out the you know what!?!?!?
to reach that level of what some may say “enlightenment” you have to experience all you can before you truly see all martial arts as relative.[/QUOTE]
yep. im with both of you guys on this. Well said brothers
Yao Sing, Eddie,
can i explain…
as most know, im 39 now, and i’ve been involved in martial arts since the age of 5. but as some people may have heard it like this…but one day the light bulb went off for me, and things began to move slowly (no i wasn’t shmokin!:p) then i saw the relevance between ALL martial arts. at this point i was going along bruce lee’s same path to enlightenment, thats when i realized, bruce was right, but he was wrong too.
he didn’t want his gung fu to be traditional, or have forms…but that was HIS gung fu, he reaced that level he wanted everyone else to reach. thats impossible without walking that long hard road.
at the same time, imagine if the lightbulb went off before you were ready? when the light turns on nothing will be in the room for you to see. but let the martial artist walk that path, and if he’s wise enough, he’ll take the time to smell the roses, or he’ll miss that wallet in the bushes filled with 3 g’s!!!
see what i mean?
Bruce should have simply called his “art”, Mo-Wai. To act spontaneously without thought, or reserve. This is the ideal ALL MArtial Arts aims towards. To call it JKD is simply describing an technique/concept-intercepting the opponent’s intent, which is simply one of the components of good MA. That’s like calling it, “Broken Rhythm.”
The proble with JKD, is it develops the attitude of being a dabbler. A little of this, a bit of that, rather than total imersion, and true understanding of the art. Very few have taken it to this extent. Dan Inosanto, Burton Richardson, come to mind, but too many of the JKD students, the ones who say,“I take JKD,” come across as nothing but spoiled children. You know the types, You get them in your school every once in awhile. The ones who want you to teach them something new, when they don’t even have a grasp on what you just gave them,
but say,“I know it.”
sure Bruce Lee went beyond forms-but he worked through them to get there. Again, we all are striving to reach that point where we drop the form and act spontaneously. The form is simply a tool to get us there. Can it be done without forms? Sure.
But-if you want to write down your entire system’s techniques, training principles, methods in a series of notebooks, and they then get lost,stolen, burned, whatever, then your entire life’s work is gone. Forms allow these arts to be passed down intact, from one generation to another. From the forms, you can write volumes.
What don’t these people get?
[QUOTE=TenTigers;809635]sure Bruce Lee went beyond forms-but he worked through them to get there. Again, we all are striving to reach that point where we drop the form and act spontaneously. The form is simply a tool to get us there. Can it be done without forms? Sure.
But-if you want to write down your entire system’s techniques, training principles, methods in a series of notebooks, and they then get lost,stolen, burned, whatever, then your entire life’s work is gone. Forms allow these arts to be passed down intact, from one generation to another. From the forms, you can write volumes.
What don’t these people get?[/QUOTE]
I think that, if you come from a sport system you won’t really see the “value” of forms because they are not used and the systems work just fine, if not better than “just fine”.
It truly is that simple at times.
very true tt,
see, the one thing i make my guys do (which i learned from rene latosa) is phuck what you throw, just throw it. as a martial artist i should just react right?
too many martial artists today are stuck with that “hit me right here, dead center of my nose, no higher, no lower, just right here. and oh yeah, only use your left hand!”
all i got to say to that is[SIZE=“5”] WTF?[/SIZE]:eek:
true, true, i am starting to understand now, that when you are into sport martial arts, most of the traditional aspects get thrown out the door. it takes time to perfect a form, and if the competition is three months away, you won’t be able to master that form in the amount of time.
so what do you do, take from the form and drill, right?
however, not everyone wants to be in SPORT martial arts. some just want to know how to defend themselves while walking down the street.
but in the end, its better. we now have sport martial arts, and traditional…maybe one day both can go hand in hand?