Wei Hsiaotang challenges his shrfu

Hi Paul,
Where have you been these past months?
Thank you for your comments on the dangers of my disseminating information on the 8 Step PM style.
This story is from public records and doesn’t include private matters that are not transmitted to outsiders.

This version of the story, I know there are several, comes from Dzuo Hsienfu.
Are you saying he only sudied with GM Wei for 3 years?
I have not checked on that.

Master Dzuo has recently gone to the trouble of republishing GM Wei’s second and third books on 8 Step PM these past few months.
These books, as you must know, have always been exceedingly hard to come by as Wei only sold them in the park and never gave them to any publisher.

The purpose of my translating these works is in preparation for the tribute page to GM Wei.
Besides this small bit of info I have included there is a large body of material already translated by your Dad’s kung fu brother’s son.
(Sorry folks this page isn’t ready for the public yet).

As far as anyone’s claims of studying with Wei are concerned there are many pictures of Wei in group and class photos as well as Birthday celebration photos as he prepares to cut the cake, not to mention his PM application photos.

I hope we can keep this thread dedicated to GM Wei’s achievements and not let it degrade into a thread on the real and the fake.

These past translations pertaining to 8 Step PM were being done for a friend who was making a tribute page to GM Wei.

His project has been put on hold temporarily.
So, until further notice I will not be making any more translations from GM Wei’s books.

It would be nice if someone from the 8 Step community would take it upon themselves to do a complete translation of his three books as they give deep insight into the style.

Since my PM style is not 8 Step I don’t think I can do justice to a complete translation of his works.

Originally posted by Tainan Mantis
[B]These past translations pertaining to 8 Step PM were being done for a friend who was making a tribute page to GM Wei.

His project has been put on hold temporarily.
So, until further notice I will not be making any more translations from GM Wei’s books.

It would be nice if someone from the 8 Step community would take it upon themselves to do a complete translation of his three books as they give deep insight into the style.

Since my PM style is not 8 Step I don’t think I can do justice to a complete translation of his works. [/B]

It is good not to leaking more info. until the real publishing.

For your info, Master Dzou ShianFu, according to my father has told me, came to GM Wei roughly 2 years before my father moved to US. And after 1 year my father moved to US, GM Wei passed away. So you can figur out how long he has the chance to learn form GM Wei.

Also, the books of GM Wei aer in a introductory level. It is meant to introduce the art, not to create an expert.

it would be nice

it would be great if i could see some differnces between shuyn style 8-step and some traditional 8 step praying mantis

Here is a continuation of the above “Sonnets of Striking Hands.”
Included is the Chinese so that some people may argue with my translation.

Paul,
I hope you can take some time to go over this and make corrections or state your opinion.

The last paragraph 2nd and 3rd lines come directly from Wu Yuxiang’s “The Mental Elucidation of the Thirteen Postures”(Taiji classic).
The last line is a logical continuation that isn’t found in the Taiji text.

"Left and Right Hook Punches are like a ring
They make it hard for the opponent to decide when to attack
Sink the elbow when using Black Tiger Steals the Heart punch
White Tiger Extends his Claw to slash the face.

The power of Seizing Hand Straight Punch is even more fierce
Your hands and feet attack nonstop to the front and back
Enter the center gate and use Double Elbows
If he steps back use your palms to push him.

Backfist and smashing fist are connected punches
The two hands turn nonstop up and down
That the hard can overpower the soft is inevitable
The soft must be nimble to overcome the hard.

To attack your enemy before he is ready
Your eyes should be clear your hands should be quick and your feet should be light
When your enemy comes to attack don’t over exert yourself
But when there is an opportunity to chase and pursue don’t ease up.

To strike back and forth with your attack
Every step you take should be according to your strategy
Your body should be like the shape of a spinning plate
Moving forward, backward, dodging, turning, flying and leaping.

The stance should be neither in the shape of
the ding(T) or ba(/ ) character
If the enemy doesn’t move I won’t initiate the attack
When the enemy moves slightly I will complete the movement first
When the enemy desires to move I will hit first.

Don’t have time to read in full detail now, so I just fast read through.

These generally are common requirements of internal boxing, for very good reason that they are made in consider of what to go for and what to abondent in training and applying.

8 step mantis has a lot of them in it.

The “din bu din, ba bu ba, bei bu dong, ji bu fa” line at the last you are telling me to read is one of the requirement that 8 step has. It was aquired form internal boxing. This is one of the very difference of 8 step and all other styles of mantis.

I will come back and read more and hopfully can come up with helpful commons.

Later Tainan Mantis.

PS. If you had that book, it is a very good one. If you put some requirements listed in there in your mantis, I would expect to see different postures in your demo. posted on the babu tanlong site.

Paul,
Thanks for the thumb icon.
I hope to see your take on the definition of the sonnets.

About the postures…
Yesterday GM Wei’s were discussing who they should pick to represent the corect movement of 8 Step.
It seems not easy as the teaching was different for people of different body types.

The vid clips of me are not 8 Step PM.