[QUOTE=Lama Pai Sifu;954377]Does anyone have the background info on this school, i.e., date, locations, head instructor, etc.???
Also, it’s hard to make out the discussion at the beginning, but did this guy walk in and challenge the school or did he just offer to ‘teach’ them something?? I wasn’t sure from the video and everyone’s comments read like he came in very friendly…
Anyone?[/QUOTE]
There is really no context about what happened when he came in, I was wondering the same thing too. But still…a couple of Karate guys came into our school once and challenged our master. He had a couple of our top students fight them, but it wasn’t a death match. They respectfully beat them and when they said they had enough, it was over. Challenge or no challenge, the guy conceded the fight and his defeat. If that is the kind of black belts this school produces, then that shows very poorly on the Master and his students.
[QUOTE=Lama Pai Sifu;954377]Does anyone have the background info on this school, i.e., date, locations, head instructor, etc.???
Also, it’s hard to make out the discussion at the beginning, but did this guy walk in and challenge the school or did he just offer to ‘teach’ them something?? I wasn’t sure from the video and everyone’s comments read like he came in very friendly…
Anyone?[/QUOTE]
I heard Bullshido has a complete thread on it, detailing the where, when, how, etc… I don’t go there so I don’t have a link.
Back about 30 years or more ago I worked with a young man that was taking TKD at a local dojo. I took him home every day because his license had been suspended, and he asked me to take him to the dojo that night. I agreed and actually sit in and watched during the classes. He introduced me to his Sensei and told him I was some sort of kung fu fighter. I tried to play it down, but the guy showed great interest, asking me to show them a form or two. I explained that I did not do fight forms and that we only did the basic technique forms. He kept insisting that I show them some moves and called one of his students to the front of the class. I had found myself in somewhat the same situation. The Sensei kept looking at the guy and grinning and winking so I assumed that this was meant to be a lesson to me instead. I kept declining but he kept insisting. Eventually I agreed to show him a few moves. Rather than being a demonstration it was actually a fight. A set up to make me have to fight. He said that the guy had been something of a boxer and was now learning to do TKD. I realized immediately that I was being set up and determined that it was not going to go his way. The guy was strong and had fast hands, but I kept off the end of his fists and managed to pretty much block everything. We went at it for a very short time and the guy just stopped, bowed and went back and sat down. He gave no reason for that. I left and took my co-worker home. Several days later he mentioned to me that he had talked to the other guy and he told him that I had his arms hurting really bad, and that he had eventually gone to an emergency room and they found small fractures in his forarms. I never struck him with a fist, just blocked his efforts to hit me. However, had he been much bigger and stronger it could easily have gone the same way of the video clip. I am sure that had he knocked me down or out he would have stomped me too.
The morality of a good many people suffer from this sort of behavior. He assumed that I was just talking sh-t and was going to show his student that I was. I never made a claim, and never really wanted to do this. It is silly. But he was so certain that I would get beat up that he was rather embarrised and sort of mad when it did not happen. I have been envited a couple of times to local dojo’s to watch, but have never done so. The next time I could get stomped on real good.
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;954627]Back about 30 years or more ago I worked with a young man that was taking TKD at a local dojo. I took him home every day because his license had been suspended, and he asked me to take him to the dojo that night. I agreed and actually sit in and watched during the classes. He introduced me to his Sensei and told him I was some sort of kung fu fighter. I tried to play it down, but the guy showed great interest, asking me to show them a form or two. I explained that I did not do fight forms and that we only did the basic technique forms. He kept insisting that I show them some moves and called one of his students to the front of the class. I had found myself in somewhat the same situation. The Sensei kept looking at the guy and grinning and winking so I assumed that this was meant to be a lesson to me instead. I kept declining but he kept insisting. Eventually I agreed to show him a few moves. Rather than being a demonstration it was actually a fight. A set up to make me have to fight. He said that the guy had been something of a boxer and was now learning to do TKD. I realized immediately that I was being set up and determined that it was not going to go his way. The guy was strong and had fast hands, but I kept off the end of his fists and managed to pretty much block everything. We went at it for a very short time and the guy just stopped, bowed and went back and sat down. He gave no reason for that. I left and took my co-worker home. Several days later he mentioned to me that he had talked to the other guy and he told him that I had his arms hurting really bad, and that he had eventually gone to an emergency room and they found small fractures in his forarms. I never struck him with a fist, just blocked his efforts to hit me. However, had he been much bigger and stronger it could easily have gone the same way of the video clip. I am sure that had he knocked me down or out he would have stomped me too.
The morality of a good many people suffer from this sort of behavior. He assumed that I was just talking sh-t and was going to show his student that I was. I never made a claim, and never really wanted to do this. It is silly. But he was so certain that I would get beat up that he was rather embarrised and sort of mad when it did not happen. I have been envited a couple of times to local dojo’s to watch, but have never done so. The next time I could get stomped on real good.[/QUOTE]
Interesting…
I took a bit of TKD in the Dallas area in the late '60’s and then a little bit more in the mid-'70’s… got hurt both times and gave up as I got older..
Later the Kung Fu TV show came on and I loved Bruce Lee movies… but back “before” then I thought there was karate from Japan and from Korea and that was it.
Dojos were run similar to your story and I just thought later they were “immature” Texas copies of the real thing and didn’t know any better.. It doesn’t look like there’s been any improvement over the decades tho… I still think it’s the low budget folks mainly… and that most dojos are reputable ma studios… even here in Texas… an example is the Lopez’es here in Sugar Land with the Olympic golds - they have a rep here as a very classy outfit and family…
Saw this when TenTigers shared it on facebook.
the stomp at the end made me nauseous
as goofy as he was, he wasn’t doing that bad at the beginning.
he just obviously didn’t want any part of that confrontation
made the mistake of giving up in an attempt to placate the guy
d@mn near looked like he got brain damage for his trouble.
definitely curious to see the bullshido thread for the who, what, when, where, why
would like to see how yo would enjoy having his head getting kick started
i once was swinging around my 21lb iron bar, doing this and that and what not… i over compensated a two step circle and whacked myself in the temple with the bars tip. i am sure i have shared this experience before, but i instantly spaced out to it reading these posts - i never lost consciousness, fell down, or anything of the sort… i grabbed the railing of the deck and almost pulled it off and was spitting between clenched teeth. luck of the tiger, energy of a goats head.
I will speak only in a way that will make my dojo, my family, and my country proud.
I will keep my uniform clean.
I will never mention the time Instructor Dan and a new age spacey person got into a fight, and Instructor Dan couldn’t win by technical skill, seasoned instincts, and control over the new age spacey person’s made up style, so Instructor Dan mugged him by escalating the conflict to an innappropriate level..
I will make my dojo proud by my patience, courage, and forthrightness.
I’m sorry, but instructor dude’s martial arts is horrible. He had to escalate it, because he was not able to handle it at the intensity HE set in the first place.
I will speak only in a way that will make my dojo, my family, and my country proud.
I will keep my uniform clean.
I will never mention the time Instructor Dan and a new age spacey person got into a fight, and Instructor Dan couldn’t win by technical skill, seasoned instincts, and control over the new age spacey person’s made up style, so Instructor Dan mugged him by escalating the conflict to an innappropriate level..
I will make my dojo proud by my patience, courage, and forthrightness.
I’m sorry, but instructor dude’s martial arts is horrible. He had to escalate it, because he was not able to handle it at the intensity HE set in the first place.[/QUOTE]
he wasn’t the instructor. he was the student that the instructor lent the dude to use as a uke by all looks.
yeah, the head stomp when the guy was down was admittedly a bit over the top.
But really, the idiot walked into his own awakening by way of being put to sleep.
I’m surprised how this kind of violence would put martial artists off.
I’ve been tooled like that, or pretty close to it before myself.
[QUOTE=KC Elbows;954700]Rules of the Dojo:[/quote]rules are mean’t to be broken.
No gum in the dojo
but chewing gum exercises the jaw muscles to strengthen the bite.
I will speak only in a way that will make my dojo, my family, and my country proud.
yet they say that pride kills… better to be lowly like water, sometimes there is stagnation and sometimes there are floods.
I will keep my uniform clean.
i value used, stained, and dirty clothes because they are testament that i got sometihing done.
I will never mention the time Instructor Dan and a new age spacey person got into a fight, and Instructor Dan couldn’t win by technical skill, seasoned instincts, and control over the new age spacey person’s made up style, so Instructor Dan mugged him by escalating the conflict to an innappropriate level..
a natural part of equalization… this is just one inflection of the reflection.
I will make my dojo proud by my patience, courage, and forthrightness.
i will honor my dignity, my integrity, and my presentation of myself.
I’m sorry, but instructor dude’s martial arts is horrible. He had to escalate it, because he was not able to handle it at the intensity HE set in the first place.
pure aggression will consume the individual…
About 10 or 15 years ago I was set up in my old school by my own friends. It wasn’t a death match or anything though. I was just visiting and they decided to grapple that night.
They set me up with a Judo guy (brown belt) who was HUGE. He was taller than me by about 4 inches and out weighed me by at least 50 pounds. Because of the number of people in the class we started on our knees which worked to my advantage.
The aside wink to each other was that this guy had never been choked out by anyone even the head instructor and his neck was so thick that they couldn’t choke him out even when he allowed them to get the hold first without resistance.
I didn’t know any of this at the time! The short story is I choked him out 4 times easily and quickly and in a few different ways. The Judo instructor’s son was there and he kept yelling coaching tips to the guy, but none of them worked. Finally, in frustration, he asked to spar with me in order to demonstrate the “proper” way to do it, LOL!! I choked him out 3 or 4 times too, LOL!! He was SO pi$$ed by then, LOL!!
I didn’t realize til later they had set me up with this guy. They were planning on laughing at me afterwards. The only way I put it together was in retrospect thinking about the background comments I heard. I thought it was a dirty trick to play on someone who is supposedly your friend. :mad:
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;954705]he wasn’t the instructor. he was the student that the instructor lent the dude to use as a uke by all looks.
yeah, the head stomp when the guy was down was admittedly a bit over the top.
But really, the idiot walked into his own awakening by way of being put to sleep.
I’m surprised how this kind of violence would put martial artists off.
I’ve been tooled like that, or pretty close to it before myself.
that’s what happens when the lights go out.
accept it, or dance.
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If the guy had been a regular everyday A-hole probably no one would care, but that guy was CLEARLY mentally deficient! You don’t do that sort of thing to one who is mentally disadvantaged! It is cruel and heartless!
[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;954717]If the guy had been a regular everyday A-hole probably no one would care, but that guy was CLEARLY mentally deficient! You don’t do that sort of thing to one who is mentally disadvantaged! It is cruel and heartless![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;954724]I guess at that school they check their brains at the door![/QUOTE]anyone even remotely intelligent is turned away or beat up… afterall, its hard to intimidate an intelligent person who can think for themselves.
When I first saw this clip it was without sound. I thought that this was so much like the scene in streetfighter between Tsurugi and the karate master. When I saw the same with sound, I quickly realized that the guy in the white gi and his sensei need to be taken off this planet. By the way, that was the worst karate that I have ever seen. The man was obviously set up before the camera started rolling. The law would be too good for these tumescent turds. I hope Jesus pays them a visit. I would love to see that.
