Tales of Gong Sau and Karate Masters

[LI_GUY_1]

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=87709

Check it out, I’ll post a condensed form here later.
Anyone know of this guy??

[Lucas]

definately loltastic.

make sure and post the vid here

[taai_gihk_yahn]

is this a Long Island MA school? dude, I can’t wade through 35 pages on Bullshido - just the facts, ma’am, please, if you would be so kind as to…

[Lucas]

he went in to promote a tournament, the sensei wanted money to show up, he was all like ‘thats not how it works, your guys pay to fight’ sensei was all like, ‘im too big for that’, then he asked whats in it for him, dude was all like, 'your students can see if they can fight (meaning test skills), sensei took it wrong and assaulted him. emails back and forth, grudge death match 2009 insues hopefully tomorrow or tonight and we see vid soon.

i think i summed it up pretty well, i have more free time at work than you

[cerebus]

[QUOTE=Lucas;948767]he went in to promote a tournament, the sensei wanted money to show up, he was all like ‘thats not how it works, your guys pay to fight’ sensei was all like, ‘im too big for that’, then he asked whats in it for him, dude was all like, 'your students can see if they can fight (meaning test skills), sensei took it wrong and assaulted him. emails back and forth, grudge death match 2009 insues hopefully tomorrow or tonight and we see vid soon.

i think i summed it up pretty well, i have more free time at work than you :p[/QUOTE]

******! And I went and read the whole friggin thread! :mad: Oh well, here’s hoping for the vid…

[Lucas]

ya i hope it goes down, and i hope it goes down hard. im sure the sensei will have a no filming rule or something of that nature. and of course he’ll throw his top black belt or his lowest white belt. it could go either way :rolleyes:

[LI_GUY_1]

Something most awesome happened the other day…something I have never dreamed I could lol at in my own life…I had a fight with a crazy karate master and now its all deadly challenges and dojo storming lolol…

So I go into this guy’s school to invite them to a tournament. I have done this to other schools no problem and was well received. Problem is this guy thinks who he is.
He asks me what he gets out of it. I say, well his students get competition out of it, duh!
He says “no, what’s my kickback”. As if am supposed to pay him to have his students compete lol. He says this is how things are done, I have to pay for the privilege of his guys. I explain that I cannot pay him, the cost is $25 if they wish to enter, and that no legitimate tournament would pay an instructor.

Then he goes on about how I would need his presence at the event. I reply “no, I just need your students” lol, he wants me to pay him just to show up as he is a very well know and important karate man according to him.

Anyway after him belittling me for not wanting to pay him, not looking me in the eyes, talking down to me, and telling me " you don’t understand who I am, talk to your Sensei", he declines the invite. I tell him to hold onto the info in case he wants to know if his students can fight lol.

This infuriated him and he jumped out of his chair and threw me against a wall! He attacked me lol!!!

So he hits me, I hit him and mostly just hold him against a wall for a bit until breaking off and calling the cops, cuz he is crazy. His nose is a bit busted up along with his eye. I have a scratch or two. More in the next post.

[LI_GUY_1]

So he sends 4 “emissaries” (his word not mine to mine) to my school and they demand a formal apology in 1 week “or else”. They are told to **** off. I wasn’t there unfortunately.

I email him asking for a real match, and he replied I can only fight one of his students as he is so far above me lol. I email him back, etc. Time to post em here for lols.

@LI GUY 1

My intentions today at your school were not to disrespect you or your students in any way. However you took them as such and in my opinion acted wrongly by attacking me. As a martial artist you do not initiate an attack. You know better and should hold yourself to a higher standard than that of a thug.
When you challenge someone, the honorable thing to do is to let them accept before you hit them, not to use thug tactics. You assumed wrong to think I would take that sort of abuse.
A man who has studied for your length of time should be able to control himself and his anger, not act like a child.

You and I obviously have differing opinions on what happened today. As a martial artist myself, I do not initiate a street fight, nor would I attack a fellow martial artist before they have fully accepted any form of challenge.

This being said, I believe we can form some sort of traditional and proper challenge in the near future. Do you agree?

@KARATE GUY

James Funaro,

You claim in your e-mail that you did not intend to disrespect myself or my students in anyway upon entering my dojo this evening. However, not only did you do just that, you continue to insult me by implying that I behave like a thug or child or initiate street fights in your e-mail. You are very naive and must learn to practice self-control and discipline. You must also realize that when you make comments like, if your students really want to learn how to fight, tell them to come here! and then throw a tournament flyer in my face, thats a challenge. Your teacher should have taught you this. You never challenge a traditional martial artist like that if you cannot go through with it, as your performance in my dojo today proved. Your actions and your comments further demonstrate that you know very little about the world of traditional martial arts.

Yes, your version of todays events differs from mine, but they also differ from the truth. Keep in mind that we have eye-witnesses to the fight that YOU initiated, through camera surveillance.

Moreover, you foolishly end your e-mail message with another challenge. You are extremely ignorant if you think that you are anywhere near my level. I advise you to speak to Sensei Joe Turchiano (Judo Joe) at your dojo about my fighting career before you make such a mistake again.

I hope that in time you will learn to control your rude arrogance and mature into a somewhat competent martial artist. I also hope that you understand that challenges are not to be made lightly, such as the way you challenged me today. A mature person simply does not go around challenging established martial artists because they politely refuse to participate in a tournament, as was the case today. You should also understand that if you ever challenge a traditional martial artist again, you need to have the skills necessary to back it up. Eye-poking, scratching, and biting simply will not suffice, as Im sure you found out. Also concerning challenges; if you had any honor, you would have finished the challenge today, but you failed to do so, even though I graciously went easy on you to prevent injury to you. But instead of doing so, you kept making the excuse that youre only 22 years old, after running out of my dojo and then screaming about contacting the police. This further attests to your inexperience and lack of confidence and skill. You also need to realize that a martial artist of my stature does not bother himself with answering challenges from inexperienced fighters, although I will defend myself when some arrogant young man attempts to attack me. Do you challenge me by right of your system? The head of your system should be the one sending your message, not yourself. Alternatively, do you wish to challenge a member of my dojo who would be a more suitable match in rank for you, in a friendly, legal fight? That would be more appropriate, however, an apology is first required, and even then, based on what Ive observed, I believe that this would not be a good idea for you. Also, you should be aware that a traditional challenge, like the one you proposed in your message to me, is to the death. You must think about what you do before you do it. Read what you wrote. In your message, you admit to challenging me this evening, and then you challenge me again at the end of the e-mail! Are you engaging further in criminal activity by threatening my life? Is this how youre organization operates? Do you not realize that youre putting your system and yourself in legal jeopardy, by providing your opponent with hard evidence of your crimes? I can own your dojo by the end of the year, just by what you admit to in your e-mail!

I sent emissaries to your dojo today, in hopes of obtaining an apology for your shameful behavior this evening. Since you are a young, inexperienced martial artist, I will make the generous offer of putting this matter to rest with an apology. I give you a window of 1 week to make a decision. But first, speak to every martial artist in New York and ask them about me. Do not attempt to contact me again unless it is with an apology within the given time frame.

Let it be known that I am not afraid of you, or your organization. You know where to find me, and Im not running. Youre not the first to try this with me, others have tried and failed. My organization is ready to defend on the spot, and have no need to arrange a match for the near future. You should have handled your business today, on the spot. In my professional opinion, you have shamed and embarrassed your organization by running from a challenge that you foolishly and needlessly initiated, out of your pride, arrogance, and inability to cope with rejection.

Sincerely,

Sensei John Benedict

@LI GUY 1

I am not at all threatening you or anyone else, especially with death. A legal match is obviously what I am looking for. Also, there is no organization to discuss. I represent myself. Also, the comment was that “if your’e students want to know if they can fight”, a test of their skills, then they should compete, that is the tournament’s goal. Yes it was arrogant but only a reflection of your belittling me for not recognizing how great you are or your stature.
Next, you hit me first, I did not hit you until you hit me, I even held us against the wall telling you to stop yet you continued to strike me. Any video will clearly show you strike me first, you even ran around your desk to strike me! I held your hand or tried to at one point asking you to stop and you threw my head against a wall. I called the cops as it would be foolish not to in that situation, I do not street fight.

Again, I do not represent an organization, I own no school for you to take from me, and I am not threatening anyone. I did not issue any challenge today, if you would have took the time to listen before hitting me you would have heard me say that. Then we could have parted ways. I had no desire to fight or challenge.

I will gladly have a match with one of your students. I would assume it would be under the least restrictive rule set available to us. Lets not talk too much please as it will just go in circles. When would a student of yours like to fight, do you have any in mind?

[David_Jamieson]

hmmm. krotty belly.

why is fitness so low on the totem pole with so many martial artists?

hit a treadmill for gods sake people! lol

[MasterKiller]

Is this the guy?

http://wcbstv.com/local/karate.long.island.2.243435.html?detectflash=false

[rogue]

Traditional training provides you with a solid foundation, in which you will learn combat proven techniques and abilities. Most good MMA fighters come from a traditional background. They do great in the beginning but then start training with MMA instructors to “enhance” their fighting skills with Jiu-Jitsu and other styles, which effects their traditional techniques in a negative way. The traditional style is what got them there in the first place.

The Goju Karate style offered at Seitouha Goju-Ryu Karate is an all-inclusive art, providing practitioners with hard and soft skills, linear fighting, close-in fighting, ground fighting skills, and submission techniques. Goju is the only style of karate that offers in-close fighting. We are the in-close specialists. Also, the skills you learn standing up, can be done on your back, so you don’t have to learn a million different styles in order to do both.

In addition to being an all-inclusive art, Goju karate is designed to be effective for students of all ages. In our MMA classes, we children from age 6, to adults age 56. Goju doesn’t give you any limitations, so stop making excuses for yourself if you think age is an issue.

Must be the uber Sanchin training.

And remember kids, “Goju is the only style of karate that offers in-close fighting. We are the in-close specialists.”

This the kid where, “The teen left and came back with a car full of other teens armed with crow bars and tire irons,” and only one guy was charged with assault?

http://seitouhagojukarate.com/new_web/html/video/rob_choke.html

[sanjuro_ronin]

That choke was horrid, HORRID I SAY !!!

[rogue]

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;948848]That choke was horrid, HORRID I SAY !!![/QUOTE]

You’re only saying that because your training has effected your traditional techniques in a negative way.

[sanjuro_ronin]

[QUOTE=rogue;948851]You’re only saying that because your training has effected your traditional techniques in a negative way. :D[/QUOTE]

This is quite possible, since Karate is the way of non-violence then it makes sense to do the choke in a way that offers no harm to the person being choked.
How very traditional.

[diego]

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;948854]This is quite possible, since Karate is the way of non-violence then it makes sense to do the choke in a way that offers no harm to the person being choked.
How very traditional.[/QUOTE]

right…Traditional, what like this? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CgpLsgWbKT4/RjtCAC0ypZI/AAAAAAAAAHU/Faq_UibF-qY/s320/Fat%2BGuy%2Bwith%2BTits.jpg

[LI_GUY_1]

Went to the school tonight as invited, during his adult class. For the 1 on 1 match.

When we get there I call him, no answer. 3x, no answer. Rather, we see his students chest thumping and jumping around like idiots in the school.

Shouting to come inside, where they could brawl. No thank you, I left John Benedict (the “Sensei”) a messgae saying that we did not agree to have a group brawl, but a 1 on 1 match.

He instead hid behind his students in a circle jerk.

With that said I will note that his son is doing his first MMA fight in NJ in Sept. That along with the fact they claim to be an MMA school means I will try to get on a card against one of them.

They can facilitate this by answering the open challenge I have posted in quite a few places.

Plenty of local shows will hold an open weight, limited rules match for us in a legitimate show. SEIGI DAI DOJO can answer the challenge easily as they are aware of it.

Don’t forget to join one of the many groups! The power of social networking:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=232625705441&ref=nf

[Lucas]

if everythings the way it would seem, thats pretty disgraceful. i thought he was a karate master.

[Lucas]

[QUOTE=diego;948973]right…Traditional, what like this? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CgpLsgWbKT4/RjtCAC0ypZI/AAAAAAAAAHU/Faq_UibF-qY/s320/Fat%2BGuy%2Bwith%2BTits.jpg

:([/QUOTE]

lol man, that is pretty disturbing.

[diego]

[QUOTE=Lucas;949006]lol man, that is pretty disturbing.[/QUOTE]

cackles like Flavor Flav in the PE days

[Lokhopkuen]

[QUOTE=Lucas;949005]if everythings the way it would seem, thats pretty disgraceful. i thought he was a karate master.[/QUOTE]

What’s disgraceful is airing the whole thing here.