Contrary to what is said, violence has it’s place in society. This thing about none violence and no one deserves being violently attacked is mostly ethical or moral standards set by certain members of society, but in fact, there is nothing that is right or wrong, and because someone finds it morally unexceptable does not actually make it wrong or right. There are those that deserve being violently assaulted.
About 30 years ago I ran a small book out of my print shop. I did my own rounds and collecting. Occasionally I would have someone try to stiff me. Now, if I had allowed them to get by with it, my business would have gone down the tube. So, I would administer a measure of violence in the form of a thrashing and possibly a broken small bone, the first time. One day a friend and former employer called me and asked me to collect a loan for him that was well past due. I would have gotten a percentage of the amount collected of course. A certain Dallas based TV Evangelist that I am certain everyone would know if I gave his name, had borrowed a large amount of cash to pay off bets he had lost. He ran a book too, and was bad at making odds, and he got in the red and needed bucks to get out. So he borrowed it. He missed 3 pay back dates and so I went to talk to him about it. He told me that he didn’t have the money and that he was going to put it into the hands of the lord. If it got paid, good. If not, then it was all in the hands of the lord. I said ok, that is just fine, and litterally stomped him to the inch of his life.
Next morning I went to see my employer to explain to him that I was unable to collect his money, but before I could deliver the bad news, he asked me what I had said to him because a fellow had come in and paid it all up in full. He then handed me my percentage. I explained to him that I had been rather stern with him and my employer said, it is true that the lord works in mysterious ways. Nothing else was said.
So you see, violence does have a place in our society. It gives you leverage when nothing else is going to work. There are people that simply do not understand anything else.
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1018035]Contrary to what is said, violence has it’s place in society. This thing about none violence and no one deserves being violently attacked is mostly ethical or moral standards set by certain members of society, but in fact, there is nothing that is right or wrong, and because someone finds it morally unexceptable does not actually make it wrong or right. There are those that deserve being violently assaulted.
About 30 years ago I ran a small book out of my print shop. I did my own rounds and collecting. Occasionally I would have someone try to stiff me. Now, if I had allowed them to get by with it, my business would have gone down the tube. So, I would administer a measure of violence in the form of a thrashing and possibly a broken small bone, the first time. One day a friend and former employer called me and asked me to collect a loan for him that was well past due. I would have gotten a percentage of the amount collected of course. A certain Dallas based TV Evangelist that I am certain everyone would know if I gave his name, had borrowed a large amount of cash to pay off bets he had lost. He ran a book too, and was bad at making odds, and he got in the red and needed bucks to get out. So he borrowed it. He missed 3 pay back dates and so I went to talk to him about it. He told me that he didn’t have the money and that he was going to put it into the hands of the lord. If it got paid, good. If not, then it was all in the hands of the lord. I said ok, that is just fine, and litterally stomped him to the inch of his life.
Next morning I went to see my employer to explain to him that I was unable to collect his money, but before I could deliver the bad news, he asked me what I had said to him because a fellow had come in and paid it all up in full. He then handed me my percentage. I explained to him that I had been rather stern with him and my employer said, it is true that the lord works in mysterious ways. Nothing else was said.
So you see, violence does have a place in our society. It gives you leverage when nothing else is going to work. There are people that simply do not understand anything else.[/QUOTE]
I agree there are times when violence is needed but I don’t agree with your reason for it. I would understand violence being used against you in that case! You both took part in an illlegal enterprise in illlegal matters you accept that things like that will happen because it’s illlegal it’s not like you can call the cops on the guy. I witnessed a drug deal gone bad and in the end had no problems how it played out. A guy came to buy drugs he tried to snatch and run without paying. The dealer caught him and began to beat him down. The guy accepted the beat down because he tried to steal from the guy.
At that moment another guy comes over that has nothing to do with what just went down but, he was a friend of the dealer. He finds out the guy tried to snatch and grab from his friend and decide to join in beating on the guy. It’s at this moment that the guy taking the beating took offense to this friend beating on him. The guy being beaten now buy someone that has nothing to do with it pulls out a gun and shoots the guys friend 5 times killing him instantly! He then walked off as if nothing happened. He accepted the 1st guy beating him because he tried to steal from him but, the second guy was just getting involved because he saw what he thought was a easy mark…oh well he never had a chance to learn from budding into other people’s business.
If you engage in illlegal activity it doesn’t give you a pass to commit violence. I agree there are people out there that you have to deal with violently to make them understand. I had a friend that was robbed several times by the same guy. He called the police and did everything he could to avoid violence. It didn’t help the guy continued to rob my friend almost at will. My friend had enough! The cops were doing nothing and the guy was getting more bold so after the next time he was robbed he followed the guy to a local strip mall without the guy even noticing… as the guy walked through the parking lot to enter the stores my friend unloaded his 9mm on him killing him! My friend is in prison facing life without parole or death. He tried going through proper channels and nothing was done but, because he followed the guy and killed him he’s apying the price. I can accept what my friend did because in this particular robbery he and his kids were held at gun point. It scared the crap out of his kids he snapped! He said it was the look in his kids eyes that he could not accept If the guy had not robbed him in front of his kids that time it would have not ended that way.
I left my home state for almost 7yrs to avoid killing a guy from the same situation my friend went through. This guy robbed me at gun point twice and pulled a gun on me another time. He was a punk trying to be a thug! I told him to his face you’re going to make me kill you! These guys feel because you don’t do anything to them that you are affraid of them and that’s not the case… until you do them harm they will keep coming.
I clicked on this thread expecting to find a furious Sandwich Artist, with pickles and roast beef flying everywhere.
Violence is never NEEDED, it is the last resort when common sense has failed.
Some people only understand violence because that is the language of their “upbringing”, but that circle of violence and hate ( they go hand in hand) will never be broken by more violence.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1018431]Violence is never NEEDED, it is the last resort when common sense has failed.
Some people only understand violence because that is the language of their “upbringing”, but that circle of violence and hate ( they go hand in hand) will never be broken by more violence.[/QUOTE]
You need to read more Tacitus dude.
The circle of violence can end one of two ways (historically).
Either you become one with them, or you destroy them utterly.
Intermarriage or ethnic cleansing.
But don’t think for a second it isn’t quite possible to “break the cycle” by simply piling the bodies high enough.
Remember “nuke’em till they glow, then shoot them in the dark”.
The only reason people don’t do this sort of full-on total war these days is because the cost to our own integrity and institutions would be crippling (till we adapted to the new dispensation).
But make no mistake.. it is perfectly possible to apply force on such a massive scale that it “solves” the problem.
Tacitus said it best “They have made that place a desert, a desolation, and they call it peace!”.
I assume you are posting in Jest.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1017761]Hmmm, you mention this and I am thinking of someone.
My BIL has a cousin, started in karate and got caught up in the MMA craze a few years ago and has been doing it ever sense, including steroids.
Wants to compete badly, but here in Ontario, that is not gonna happen.
Not sure if he has gone over to Quebec.
Anyways, he has a really ego and rage issues, my BIL told me he almost killed his dog (A boxer) in rage when he threw the dog through a door.
Well, I love animals and that ****ed me off to no end.
About a year or so I had a chance to meet him.
He understood what the dog felt like, literally.
Yes it cost me almost a grand, but it was well worth it ![/QUOTE]
good on you man that ****ed me off just reading it:mad:
I’m glad at least two people there gave the guy a hand and tried to help pull him away from the train. Too bad they didn’t stop the young punk that kicked him into it. This looks like a film from the 70’s or from some country in Europe that’s a few decades behind us.
[QUOTE=Faruq;1018693]I’m glad at least two people there gave the guy a hand and tried to help pull him away from the train. Too bad they didn’t stop the young punk that kicked him into it. This looks like a film from the 70’s or from some country in Europe that’s a few decades behind us.[/QUOTE]
? really?
It looks like a phone vid and it looks like it was recorded in asia. Maybe SK. or it could be south america, like santiago or something.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1018703]? really?
It looks like a phone vid and it looks like it was recorded in asia. Maybe SK. or it could be south america, like santiago or something.[/QUOTE]
Phew,for a second I thought you were going to say Colombia…
Do they really do that many kicks when they fight in South America? I wonder if they fight the same way we do here. When I was a little kid this new kid from Palestine came to our school and everyone was scared of him because he’d always get you on the ground and head butt you. It’d be interesting to see if people have different trends in the way the average guy fights in different countries.
[QUOTE=Faruq;1018864]Do they really do that many kicks when they fight in South America? I wonder if they fight the same way we do here. When I was a little kid this new kid from Palestine came to our school and everyone was scared of him because he’d always get you on the ground and head butt you. It’d be interesting to see if people have different trends in the way the average guy fights in different countries.[/QUOTE]
I have no doubt the palestinian kid got that from a brit. lol
[QUOTE=Faruq;1018864]Do they really do that many kicks when they fight in South America? I wonder if they fight the same way we do here. When I was a little kid this new kid from Palestine came to our school and everyone was scared of him because he’d always get you on the ground and head butt you. It’d be interesting to see if people have different trends in the way the average guy fights in different countries.[/QUOTE]
Based on what I have seen, the street fights that I saw in Brazil had a surprising amount of kicks. In Britain it was mainly fists (wild punching) and yes head butts too, presumably because some of the street fighters there have delicate hands.
Here in Colombia, again, I am basing this on what have seen personally, kicking does not seem to be as popular as in Brazil.
Incidentally, compared to what I saw in London,the night club scene here in Colombia is not plagued by drunk brawls even though most school girls here fight better than what you see over there.
There is a cordiality and respect here that you do not see in many places, while at the same time when it comes to graticious fighting, most people do not want to go there as there is a danger of ending up fighting the wrong “elements” and getting killed. Simple like that!
The police are not fond of delinquent behavior either, so there is no “we were just having a little fun” or “I was drunk and did not know what I was doing” BS, meaning that trouble makers may end up getting some “trouble” handed to them by the police, that is, if they survive their first bout. So, ironically here in Colombia when I go clubbing, on the nights that I am not working, the possibility of a fight is the last thing on my mind.
Anyway, I digressed…
Very interesting. I wonder what random fights in Hong Kong, Korea, Indonesia and Malaysia would look like since martial arts are native to those countries?.. I had a friend from Chile whose mother told me about fighting other ladies with knives over there. From what she was telling me, I got the idea fights in her neighborhood were a little more serious than where I grew up.
[QUOTE=Faruq;1018912]Very interesting. I wonder what random fights in Hong Kong, Korea, Indonesia and Malaysia would look like since martial arts are native to those countries?.. I had a friend from Chile whose mother told me about fighting other ladies with knives over there. From what she was telling me, I got the idea fights in her neighborhood were a little more serious than where I grew up.[/QUOTE]
In south america, everything is serious business. Boil a potato and that’s some serious business.
Take a dump and it’s serious!
South Americans are seriously passionate about the smallest of things. It seems to be a cultural thing on that continent.
Dude that is the first video I’ve seen in a while where i genuinely felt for someone. The person that attacked when the guy’s back was turned knew full well what was going to happen and had that INTENT in mind.
I hope someone stopped him from running and the guy is doing jail time (or worse). That fight just looked like a minor altercation that was not a big deal, and then someone loses an arm?! I mean for fuck’s sake.
[QUOTE=Faruq;1018864]Do they really do that many kicks when they fight in South America? I wonder if they fight the same way we do here. When I was a little kid this new kid from Palestine came to our school and everyone was scared of him because he’d always get you on the ground and head butt you. It’d be interesting to see if people have different trends in the way the average guy fights in different countries.[/QUOTE]
I knew a guy like that, one day the guy on the bottom moved.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1018915]In south america, everything is serious business. Boil a potato and that’s some serious business.
Take a dump and it’s serious!
South Americans are seriously passionate about the smallest of things. It seems to be a cultural thing on that continent.[/QUOTE]
Lol, Sanjuro Ronin.
Also, I wonder how the average fight is in the Philippines. There was some series on like the Discovery Channel a while back where these two Americans traveled the globe stopping in specific countries where they’d each study for a week with a local master and fight one of his senior students at the end of the week. When they were walking around a market in the Philippines they had to get them the hell out of there because a bodyguard or translator heard some local thugs say how easy it’d be to like stab them in the back right there, and like “heck, I’m gonna go do it right now…” or something. Sounds like fights in the Philippines are dangerous too. But we probably all knew that already from An Officer and A Gentleman, lol…
Any fight can be dangerous, wherever it happens. All that has to happen is someone falls back after being punched and be fatally injured when his head hits the ground.
Plus, you never know when a weapon can be introduced. Locally, there was a guy who reportedly trained ‘mixed martial arts’ who got into a fight in a bar over a ‘hard look’. They went out into the parking lot and fought again. The trained guy reportedly shot in and slammed the other guy to the ground and began grappling with him. Unknown to him, however, the other guy had pulled his folding knife and ended up stabbing him, I believe from the bottom, about 17 times. He died, and the other guy’s in prison.
Also locally, a wake boarder and college wrestler was walking with his gf when someone asked her if she wanted a ride. P!$$ed off and apparently drunk, the wrestler pulled the guy from his car and took him down. Similar to the other incident, the other guy pulled a knife and stabbed him, once, which happened to sever the wrestler’s aorta, and he also died. This case was eventually ruled self-defense.
Not to mention the many fights where the loser goes off, gets his gun, then comes back to off the winner. If it’s a stranger, you just never know what the other person(s) tendencies/capabilities/background are, or what they might be carrying.