Long story short, over the weekend A fight broke out at my club invloving over 20 people, not including the bouncers. It started as a fight between two people that I rushed to break up because I KNEW it was gonna get out of hand - there were large groups of people from opposing sides of the city and the ones fighting were each from one of the sides. I grabbed the guy who threw the first punch and put him in an RNC. As I was dragging him out, one of his buddied comes behind me and starts punching me in the back of the head. It didn’t hurt, so I kept with the choke, till the guy was unconscious. One of the other bouncers handled the guy that was behind me. After that, all he11 broke loose. Everyone jumped in and all of the other bouncers (7 of us total) were trying to keep everything under control, dropping any aggressor we came in contact with. Finally, a group of cops rushed in and started helping us take people out, arresting several of them.
That sounds gnarley. You alright? Any damage?
Can you describe that choke? RNC? … it took me some time to figure out “LOL”.
how do you grab a guy and put him in a rear nakid choke? Did you grab his shirt and neck with the other hand and spun him backwards? the problem with that is what if they have their chin tucked in and/or bent forward awayf rom you?
sounds like the late early morning (3am) of springfield mass on a sat night… jsut about everyone.
Is this a club you own, or are a bouncer at?
I’ve been asking around trying to figure out how often fights start in clubs and how much random violence is out there. I’ve been on the receiving end of a lot of people wanting to start fights in clubs, but I’ve never had to actually fight (although I’ve been on the receiving end of a few random swings and elbows on the dance floor).
I always figured any fight in the club would likely end in a gun fight outside later.
Knowing that they’ll get arrested, do lots of people still get into fights? (like every week)? Or is it relatively rare (like once a month or something)?
It’s pretty easy, you just grab an arm, step behind him, and apply the choke. If you’re behind him already, it’s even easier.
Rear Naked Choke
yea but like I said he could than bent forward as you egt behind him his head away form you or tuck his chin in, also as you turn him he could be turning in the opposite direction to keep inf ront of you and making his arm/body hard like when u try applying a wrist lock and they make their arm hard its impossible.
as opposed to a rear fully clothed choke? 
There’s no such thing as “That’s it.” Something could be done for everything … if you stand there thinking about the ifs and buts you’re going to get stomped. One action made with intention is better than 10 pondered.
Well you’re relying on the inexperience of the person, and the drunk factor. IMHO somebody who doesn’t do anything and lets you get a RNC is pretty freaking stupid. But usually bouncers will team up on the guy to do this.
One bouncer will get them from the front or the side while another bouncer will get them from behind. This seems to be a favorite bouncers technique – they must teach it in a class or something.
Good thing the guy didn’t have a knife or you’d be pushin up daisies. In a brawl like that I think I’d rely more on striking then trying to grab people and choke em, its too slow. You should learn some CLF in addition to MT its brilliant for multiple attackers especially when they’re behind you…
remember - I break up the fights. he was fighting someone else, so his back was to me.I just had to apply the choke. as for tucking his chin, everything has a counter. had he tucked his chin, I probably would’ve thrown him.
the problem with this line of work is that you aren’t supposed to strike. At the time, his buddies weren’t involved - it was one on one. once the situation escalates, THEN you can strike. I coulda let the the guy go and hit the guy hitting me at that point, but if I did, I woulda had to deal with all three of them at once. Since the punches didn’t hurt, I didn’t worry with him.
one of our guys did get stabbed in the leg friday night though.
they don’t teach it - it’s common sense. two or three of use can get rid of a guy faster than one can. The faster the better, as the other patrons are more likely to be unaware that something happened.
As far as the RNC goes, it’s not just that. dude swings, I duck, clinch and circle behind him. happens all the time. And remember that not everyone drinks. to assume they are drunk is not wise.
I did it to myself. They allow alcohol on the dance floor. I slipped in a puddle as I engaged a guy coming to me. I went one way to hit him and my knee went the other. I think trying to brace myself and not fall is what really did the damage. I shoulda gone with it. I’m gonna get it checked out this week. right now, it hurts to straighten my leg all the way. I can bend fully and move it in all directions, but it hurts to extend it and to put pressure on it.
I’ve never actually been in a nightclub or bar type situation where somebody was trained, but if you get one trained guy against 3 beefy bouncers, he’s still not going to be able to pull something off.
Which is the other part of the reason I never get into stuff at nightclubs, because it’s humiliating to be led away by bouncers and you can’t fight them or you go to jail.
My favorite self defense technique in a nightclub is if somebody starts stuff just back down. Guy gets mad at you, is pushing or yelling or something, back down. Bouncers will usually notice the guy. Next time he does it, he gets taken out.
Of course some people might call you a wimp, but oh, well. In a nightclub you’re not just fighting another person you’re also fighting the bouncers, the cops, and all of that person’s friends later.
To choke or not to choke…
I think Seven Star did the right thing although I would worry about actually chocking the guy out with the RNC. If he’s too intoxicated, which is a condition that you don’t know for sure, there might be complications and the legal ramification won’t be in your favor. But in veiw of the circumstances. It can’t be helped.
Bouncer like LEO in most cases are not allowed to use strikes (ie punching). But if slapping “gently” (re:striking) someone around so that you can get him into some kind of a submission hold, that’s somewhat understandable and reasonable. The issue has always been reasonable force and you are more or less using it for self defense and self preservation. Most of the time, tasers (police only) are used as primary deterrance nowadays. They won’t even try to duke it out with the “buddy” So… Got to love policing technological advancement.
Mantis108
we have fights all the time. they mostly happen on weekends though. fights do happen a lot - but it depends on several factors:
- how much alcohol is involved
- women
- the DJ
- the size of the crowd
- are drugs involved?
and strangely enough, whether or not it’s a full moon. We seem to ALWAYS have problems if the moon is full.
None of our fights have ever ended in gunplay, however there have been threats of it. We have had guys get jumped when a group of guys recognized them outside though. “Hey, you put me out of the club last weekend!”
not all fights lead to an arrest. If we put a guy out and he goes quietly, he just leaves. if he makes an ass of himself outside the club or struggle with us inside after the fight is done, cops usually detain them. if they calm down, they’ll just let them go. maybe about 5% of our altercations result in an arrest.
definitely. that’s the best option.