Training 'shen'

Everyone knows BJJ is only good for one on one. This would make it almost useless to military combat training. Something like Philipino KunTao would be more suited.

[QUOTE=greendragon;875266]Everyone knows BJJ is only good for one on one. This would make it almost useless to military combat training. Something like Philipino KunTao would be more suited.[/QUOTE]

Correct, luckly the US Army and its divisions like the rangers, special forces and such, as well as the marines and navy spec ops, aren’t really into military combat training so its just fine for them.
:smiley:

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;875281]Correct, luckly the US Army and its divisions like the rangers, special forces and such, as well as the marines and navy spec ops, aren’t really into military combat training so its just fine for them.
:D[/QUOTE]

Now, all you gotta do is tell the truth about how you REALLY got signed up because that ever-so-friendly Recruiter was able to convince you that you were gonna get “Snooper” training.

:smiley: :smiley:

[QUOTE=bakxierboxer;875287]Now, all you gotta do is tell the truth about how you REALLY got signed up because that ever-so-friendly Recruiter was able to convince you that you were gonna get “Snooper” training.

:smiley: :D[/QUOTE]

You know…tell some people a secret and it seems that the word “secret” loses all meaning !
:stuck_out_tongue:

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;875288]You know…tell some people a secret and it seems that the word “secret” loses all meaning !
:p[/QUOTE]

The Beatles
“Listen,
Do you want to know a secret?,
Do you promise not to tell?, whoa oh, oh.”

Do you think that, in this newer world (“AB” or “After Beatles”), this means that the idea of a “close friendship” probably needs to be redefined when we’re talking about the fellow “right next door”? (in the next country over)

[QUOTE=bakxierboxer;875300]The Beatles
“Listen,
Do you want to know a secret?,
Do you promise not to tell?, whoa oh, oh.”

Do you think that, in this newer world (“AB” or “After Beatles”), this means that the idea of a “close friendship” probably needs to be redefined when we’re talking about the fellow “right next door”? (in the next country over)[/QUOTE]

Actually, the internet has made our neighbourhood a lot closer, with all the good and bad that comes with that.
Sure we have the no-name a-holes that try to ruin it for everyone, but more often than not, here we are thousands of miles away, exchange views and ideas and building a friendship of sorts.
Way cool.

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;875303]Actually, the internet has made our neighbourhood a lot closer, with all the good and bad that comes with that.[/quote]

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In the name of “international friendship”, I will refrain (for a change) from offering a “better phrased” version of what you wrote. :smiley:
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Sure we have the no-name a-holes that try to ruin it for everyone, but more often than not, here we are thousands of miles away, exchange views and ideas and building a friendship of sorts.
Way cool.

Yah… some of 'em have emerged on that new board.
Definitely cool… and agreeably so, at that.

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In the name of “international friendship”, I will refrain (for a change) from offering a “better phrased” version of what you wrote.
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LOL, grazie !

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;875306]LOL, grazie ![/QUOTE]

Youse is welcome! :smiley:
(although being a “creature of habit” (not all of which are “socially acceptable”) I will not endeavor to make any promises for the future) :rolleyes:

Training a wrestling system (eg: JJ) as part of military training is an ancient and well-thought-out approach.

It’s based on the assumption that the worst position to be in on the battlefield is on your back. Very easy to be shot, stabbed or stepped on from that position.

PS: Just put that book on hold, going to give it a read. Already getting funny looks from my co-workers.

[QUOTE=SimonM;875308]Training a wrestling system (eg: JJ) as part of military training is an ancient and well-thought-out approach.

It’s based on the assumption that the worst position to be in on the battlefield is on your back. Very easy to be shot, stabbed or stepped on from that position.

PS: Just put that book on hold, going to give it a read. Already getting funny looks from my co-workers.[/QUOTE]

I would argue that the worse possible place is on the ground with your BACK to the enemy (turtle), at least on your back you can see and defend.

Granted.

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[QUOTE=SimonM;875317]Granted.

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While being on the ground is never the place to be, it can be argued that, in the case of more than one attacker, being on your back, with one of them in your guard is not such a bad place, read: Shield.

One good reason to train how to pass guard and take mount as fast as possible.

[QUOTE=SimonM;875325]One good reason to train how to pass guard and take mount as fast as possible.[/QUOTE]

It can be argued (argumentive today, aren’t I ?) that, being in the mount VS multiple attacker is more dangerous, sure you have the advantage over one of them, but your back is exposed and you are vulnerable to getting kicked in the face.

Still better off than being in guard when facing multiple attackers since you have the potential to quickly incapacitate the guy you are sitting on and get up in a hurry. In guard your back and face are still exposed and you have mobility restrictions.

[QUOTE=SimonM;875329]Still better off than being in guard when facing multiple attackers since you have the potential to quickly incapacitate the guy you are sitting on and get up in a hurry. In guard your back and face are still exposed and you have mobility restrictions.[/QUOTE]

One can argue (LOL!), that is not the case, you say that you can quickly incapcitate from the mount?
How so?
Chokes take time and leave you vulnerable.
The GnP takes time and while you are GnP’ing you are not watching your back.
Going for a sub takes time and commitment of all your tools…
In the guard your back is less exposed, after all, its on the ground.

GnP HARDER!

Seriously you don’t need a knockout, daze the guy enough to take the fight out of him and move on. Or, alternatively, stab.

[QUOTE=SimonM;875338]GnP HARDER!

Seriously you don’t need a knockout, daze the guy enough to take the fight out of him and move on. Or, alternatively, stab.[/QUOTE]

hey, you didn;t mention weapons !
It can be argued that, with a knife for example, that being on our backs, with the attacker in the guard, is a better place to stab him and still see what is going on, then we can filet him and maybe use a limb as a weapon.
:smiley:

Now that’s just silly. I’m calling shennanigans on that one.