To WCK practitioners: Who burned down the Fujian Shaolin?

Wai Jia: The Kung Fu Forum Wing Chun
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Robert,

Translate the following, and you will see who is JeeShim and where is Shao lin and who are Shao Lin. where are all these His-story is from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1yih-p6uiw&feature=fvst

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sorry there is no Shao lin, no JeeShim but his-story made after 1850’s when Taiping collapse by five chinese martial arts association.

So where is WCK from? hahaha, WCK is just the art of the Opera Actors, and they join the taiping + Hung Mun uprising under Lee Mun-Mao that simple, isnt it?

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Very interesting story!

Chan Heung, CLF, Tai Ping Tian Guo, Hung Mun and Saam Hop Wui, propagators of the myth?

Amazing! What is the source? I have to check with the Chan family…

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[QUOTE=chusauli;946526]Very interesting story!

Chan Heung, CLF, Tai Ping Tian Guo, Hung Mun and Saam Hop Wui, propagators of the myth?

Amazing! What is the source? I have to check with the Chan family…[/QUOTE]

1,
It is clear now that the Hung army is not the Hung Army of Ming Dynasty. But the Hung Army of Taiping.

2, CLF is the lead one the TOP guy in the 1850 uprising where Taiping and Hung Mun join operation. As we know, the Yik Kam code up to the Shang Hai are justified this.

3, The Red bandana is the under Lee Man-Mau.

4, Jee Shim in the 1850 period of time means Chan Huen. Shao lin means Taiping and Hung mun join operation and NOT the art from Shao Lin.

5, whoever involve with this Taiping-Hung mun join operation got to related to CLF. Now you can explain why is Cho family called CLF Choy gar HUNG KUEN. and Why is Cho family has CLF art beside Yik Kam’s WCK. Cho is in Poon Yee so we know they involve.

We know it but it is just some doesnt want to face reality.

Thus, the Red and Black Flag theory doesnt hold water. Why? because they got nothing to do with CLF. NO relationship at all.

You see, CLF is the Key. But those making His-story not aware of it. Keeping thinking it is the 1700 stuffs thus the Tan sau Ng His-story is missing 100years or having a 100 years gap.

See, What most not suspect is CLF is the justifier of WCK and WCK’s purity and debunk the Tan Sau Ng and Black or Red flag shao lin speculative his-story solidly.

They can make HIs-story but they can change history because they were not there in 1850, not create yet.

BTW:

NG Mui is Fang Chi-Naing’s code name in the 1650’s. Ng Mui is also White Crane practitioner’s
Case over. Nick name in different period of time.

Such as Chan Hueng is Jee Shim in 1850.

CASE CLOSE.

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The Greeks

I’m afraid your all wrong, here’s how it went down…the short version, enjoy!

One day a Greek caravan was passing through the mountains when they happened upon a most beautiful temple. As they were admiring the beauty of the temple, the monks decided to invite them in for refreshments. Well now the greeks just love to cook so they decided to make their special dish for the monks, Saganaki, the flaming cheese dish. When the Greeks presented the saganaki to the warrior monks the were in awe of the amazing dish being presented to them. When asked the name of this wonderful delight the greeks told them it was called Saganaki. The hall went silent, the monks thought the word Saganaki must be Japanese and were furious! The five elders were whispering something to each other and out of nowhere they all jumped up and kicked the flaming cheeses out of the hands of the poor greeks. The flaming cheese was everywhere, burning like some sort of medieval napalm.

So there you have it

CASE CLOSED

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;946566]1,
It is clear now that the Hung army is not the Hung Army of Ming Dynasty. But the Hung Army of Taiping. [/QUOTE]
The only thing that is more clear is that how could this be called ‘clear’ when it’s being concluded by someone like you that is not a qualified historian nor has no credibility.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;946566]2, CLF is the lead one the TOP guy in the 1850 uprising where Taiping and Hung Mun join operation. As we know, the Yik Kam code up to the Shang Hai are justified this. [/QUOTE]
That is your speculation. You can say whatever you want about Yik Kam as that is your lineage, but speaking about other lineage and assuming certain thing based on your speculation as the truth that replacing their oral story told by their forefathers means disrespecting other lineage and can be taken as a challenge to every WCK lineage.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;946566]3, The Red bandana is the under Lee Man-Mau. [/QUOTE]
Once again, you have no credibility to say that and you’re not a historian either. You are just behind keyboard a lot to surf internet.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;946566]4, Jee Shim in the 1850 period of time means Chan Huen. Shao lin means Taiping and Hung mun join operation and NOT the art from Shao Lin.[/QUOTE]
This means a BIG INSULT toward Chi Sim Wing Chun Lineage, as well as Hung Gar, as they both has their lineage came from Chi Sim, not the so called ‘chan huen’ as your ‘his-story’

[QUOTE=Hendrik;946566]5, whoever involve with this Taiping-Hung mun join operation got to related to CLF. Now you can explain why is Cho family called CLF Choy gar HUNG KUEN. and Why is Cho family has CLF art beside Yik Kam’s WCK. Cho is in Poon Yee so we know they involve.[/QUOTE]
Oh…now your HIS-STORY CHANGED again, not too long ago you insisted that it came from Black Crane ++ (+Ermei). Why your His-Story keep changing hendrik?

Do you even know what you’re talking about ???

So let me guess, what’s next ??
Green Crane+Wudang ???

[QUOTE=Hendrik;946566]We know it but it is just some doesnt want to face reality.[/QUOTE]
You’re the one that doesn’t want to face the reality.
a WCK lineage that trace their lineage from Ng Mui, means it came from Ng Mui Not Fang Chi Niang.
a WCK lineage that trace their lineage from Chi Sim, means it came from Chi Sim.
a WCK lineage that trace their lineage from Shaolin, means it came from Shaolin.

Leave it like that. Those are the TRUTH as it was told by our forefathers…RESPECT THAT !!!

You can’t use your stupid speculation TO REPLACE the TRUTH OF EVERY WCK’s Lineage .
Speaking about other lineage and assuming certain thing based on your speculation as the truth that replacing their oral story told by their forefathers means disrespecting other lineage and can be taken as a challenge to every WCK lineage.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;946566]Thus, the Red and Black Flag theory doesnt hold water. Why? because they got nothing to do with CLF. NO relationship at all.

You see, CLF is the Key. But those making His-story not aware of it. Keeping thinking it is the 1700 stuffs thus the Tan sau Ng His-story is missing 100years or having a 100 years gap.

See, What most not suspect is CLF is the justifier of WCK and WCK’s purity and debunk the Tan Sau Ng and Black or Red flag shao lin speculative his-story solidly.

They can make HIs-story but they can change history because they were not there in 1850, not create yet.

BTW:[/QUOTE]

Who cares about CLF (With no disrespect), There’re many styles being practiced inside among secret socieities. CLF may be one. But WCK also exist.

If you keep saying ‘to debunk’ the Tan Sau Ng, red/black flag, using your stupid speculation, this means it is a BIG INSULT toward every lineage of WCK that trace back that to history.
speaking about other lineage and assuming certain thing based on your speculation as the truth that replacing their oral story told by their forefathers means disrespecting other lineage and can be taken as a challenge to every WCK lineage.

Are you really ready to face the consequences ? because what you’re saying is their forefather who passed the history are liars.

Are you really ready ?

[QUOTE=Hendrik;946566]NG Mui is Fang Chi-Naing’s code name in the 1650’s. Ng Mui is also White Crane practitioner’s[/QUOTE]

This also means an insult toward every WCK lineage that trace their lineage back to Ng Mui. Fang Chi Niang is White Crane’s founder.
Ng Mui is Ng Mui. They are not the same person.

Speaking about other lineage and assuming certain thing based on your speculation as the truth that replacing their oral story told by their forefathers means disrespecting other lineage and can be taken as a challenge to every WCK lineage.

CASE IS DEFINETELY NOT CLOSED, YOU JUST OPEN A CAN OF WORM AS YOU DISRESPECT EVERY WCK LINEAGE THAT HAS THEIR HISTORY NOT THE SAME WITH YOUR “HIS-STORY”/SPECULATION…

Are you really ready to face the consequences ?
You are challenging:
Every WCK lineage that trace their history to Ng Mui, Chi Sim, Red Flag, HFY, Black Flag, as well as Hunggar style.
One of this day, somebody will stand up and make you pay for this.

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[QUOTE=chusauli;946526]Very interesting story!

Chan Heung, CLF, Tai Ping Tian Guo, Hung Mun and Saam Hop Wui, propagators of the myth?

Amazing! What is the source? I have to check with the Chan family…[/QUOTE]

Should not be interesting ‘story’. It should be “HIS-story” as pikachu suggested to every other WCK’s lineage that doesn’t have the same story as pikachu(stupid hendrik)'s theory of Black Crane++ (+Ermei)

Source …? probably just google…(or Internet Which is also another ‘his-story’) never been done by a credible historian.

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[QUOTE=li hudson;946745]Should not be interesting ‘story’. It should be “HIS-story” as pikachu suggested to every other WCK’s lineage that doesn’t have the same story as pikachu(stupid hendrik)'s theory of Black Crane++ (+Ermei)

Source …? probably just google…(or Internet Which is also another ‘his-story’) never been done by a credible historian.[/QUOTE]

Go a head,

Share with us your CREDIBLE history,

make an introduction on who you are , who is your sifu, what is your lineage, and a multiple source verifiable tracking to 1850 on your lineage.

Until then you dont have a Credible position . That is reality.

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;946566]1,
See, What most not suspect is CLF is the justifier of WCK and WCK’s purity.
[/QUOTE]

Correct me if I am wrong, Last time I checked CLF doesn’t look like anything like wing Chun. Are you moving away from Ermei since it’s very clear that it doesn’t like like WCK.

Although I like peaceful, I think I have to agree with Li Hudson.
One day, someone might step up and demand your responsibility for saying things like that.

I hope your mother can still recognize you when that happen :wink:

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;946746]Go a head,

Share with us your CREDIBLE history,

with make an introduction on who you are, who is your sifu, what is your lineage, and a multiple source verifiable tracking to 1850 on your lineage.

Until then you dont have a Credible position . That is reality.[/QUOTE]

Hey pikachu,

I am nowhere near you. Although history of my lineage is not the same as some other non main-stream wingchun. However, I keep my theory and speculation to myself. I don’t want to disrespect others.

The reality is that you are not a credible historian to say other lineage is wrong, regardless my position. PERIOD. don’t blur that point OK

BTW, are you going to be at that Chow Gar WCK seminar?
I am sure there’re many people here curious to know that… :slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=peacefull;946748]
One day, someone might step up and demand your responsibility for saying things like that.

I hope your mother can still recognize you when that happen ;)[/QUOTE]

That sounds familiar to a saying in Cantonese … LOL :stuck_out_tongue:

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[QUOTE=peacefull;946748]

Although I like peaceful, I think I have to agree with Li Hudson.
One day, someone might step up and demand your responsibility for saying things like that.

I hope your mother can still recognize you when that happen ;)[/QUOTE]

In the USA everyone is protected by law on their free speech and opinion.

Both Li Hudson and you have violate the that by indirectly post a personal threat or provoking violent towards me just because something you disagree in a discussion forum.


I here seriously ask the Sandman2 to preserve both Li Hudson and your post including LI and your personal data as an evidence for further investigation by Law officer if there is any incident of violent action toward me in the future.

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;946753]In the USA everyone is protected by law on their free speech and opinion.

Both Li Hudson and you have violate the that by indirectly post a personal threat just becaue something you disagree in a discussion forum.


I here seriously ask the Sandman2 to preserve both Li Hudson and your post including your personal data as an evidence for further investigation by Law officer if there is any incident of violent action toward me in the future.[/QUOTE]

Just for the record, I have no interest to post a personal threat toward you(Definitely not directly or indirectly by me for the record).
I just really believe that some one will eventually step up one day to ask your responsibility of those statements. That’s all…:rolleyes:

But if that kind of thing ever happen(Definitely not directly or indirectly by me for the record), It would be interesting to see though…:smiley:

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[QUOTE=li hudson;946751]

BTW, are you going to be at that Chow Gar WCK seminar?
I am sure there’re many people here curious to know that… :)[/QUOTE]

[B]
Sandman,

Again, implicit personal threat are issuing. Please keep a record for future reference.[/B]

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[QUOTE=li hudson;946754]Just for the record, I have no interest to post a personal threat toward you.
I just really believe that some one will eventually step up one day to ask your responsibility of those statements. That’s all…:rolleyes:

But if that kind of thing ever happen(Definetely not directly or indirectly by me for the record), It would be interesting to see though…:D[/QUOTE]

[B]

Sandman,

Please keep this one as another reference for future needs in case of future investigation [/B]

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;946755][B]
Sandman,

Again, implicit personal threat are issuing. Please keep a record for future reference.[/B][/QUOTE]

[B]Sandman,

I have no interest to implicit personal threat toward this pikachu. It’s a waste of my time, space and energy. Keep a record of this statement as well for future reference.[/B]

But, seriously,
With no means to implicit personal threat direct or indirectly, Are you or are you not coming to that chow gar seminar?

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;946756][B]

Sandman,

Please keep this one as another reference for future needs in case of future investigation [/B][/QUOTE]

[B]Sandman,

I have no interest to implicit personal threat toward this pikachu. It’s a waste of my time, space and energy. Keep a record of this statement as well for future reference.[/B]

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[QUOTE=li hudson;946757]Sandman,

I have no interest to implicit personal threat toward this pikachu. It’s a waste of my time, space and energy. Keep a record of this statement as well for future reference.

But, seriously,
With no means to implicit personal threat direct or indirectly, Are you or are you not coming to that chow gar seminar?[/QUOTE]

[B]
Sandman2,

since the posts by both Li and Peace are evidentally provoking violent toward me explicitly.

It is my right to ask to preserve these evidence for any future law investigation if needed.

Innorcent or guilty, I leave it to the court of law.[/B]

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;946753]In the USA everyone is protected by law on their free speech and opinion.

Both Li Hudson and you have violate the that by indirectly post a personal threat just becaue something you disagree in a discussion forum.


I here seriously ask the Sandman2 to preserve both Li Hudson and your post including LI and your personal data as an evidence for further investigation by Law officer if there is any incident of violent action toward me in the future.[/QUOTE]

In the USA everyone is protected by law on their free speech and opinion.
I have the right to say my honest opinion that I really do believe that someone(Definitely not by me direct or indirectly) eventually will step up and ask your responsibility of your statement.

In addition to that, someone might even take you to the court of law as you badmouth and insult their system/lineage/school.
It would be interesting to see that happen…

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;946759][B]
Sandman2,

since the posts by both Li and Peace are evidentally provoking violent toward me explicitly.

It is my right to ask to preserve these evidence for any future law investigation if needed.

Innorcent or guilty, I leave it to the court of law.[/B][/QUOTE]

[B]In the USA everyone is protected by law on their free speech and opinion.
I have the right to say my honest opinion that I really do believe that someone(Definitely not by me direct or indirectly) eventually will step up and ask your responsibility of your statement.

In addition to that, someone might even take you to the court of law as you badmouth and insult their system/lineage/school.
It would be interesting to see that happen… [/B]

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yada…yada…yada…

If you do not wish to disclose whether you’re coming or not to that seminar, leave it like that. No need to bring up law discussion.

I have no desire to post a personal threat. I have other things to do. If you feel that way, I feel sorry for you…

However, it was very interesting to see the clips how you and your Black Crane++(Ermei) was thrown up in the air by Andreas from Chi Sim. The most interesting part is that when you yell ‘that’s not wingchun…that’s not wingchun’… LOL:)

I wonder if there’s any other clips like that…