<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by molum_jr:
[b] Deja vu…
What is your lineage. What logo is on the certificate and is it official. Heaven forbid if your patch is official but your teacher is not... Who is your teacher? Sorry but I cannot tell you who my friend's teacher is. Now bend over and be prepared to get...
Is it time for this thread to end or are loquito and tigerlilly just being toooo nice? [/b][/quote]
You need to grow up little boy/girl.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tigerlilly:
I am actually trying to research and prove that the Black tiger systems are of the same origin. This is my belief. But boy this opinion seems to stir up trouble.
Kung Lek knows quite a bit about this lineage. Check out his schools website, it has a lineage chart for Si-Lum. [/quote]
How is the research going to prove that the Black Tiger System are of the same origin? I saw no input on your research so far so I guess you have learned and saw the truth that there is no connection. Also, you need to study Kung Lek Lineage a bit more to see that there is no connection between Si-Lum and Black Tiger; the proof is in your face and you somehow still want to believe. Strange? However, I figured that since you have found out the truth, you probably felt embarrased and didn’t response cause of that. Is this true? If I am wrong, please prove me wrong.
SwiftKill
I really don’t have time to write articles right now 2 of my employees are gone 1 retired 1 found an easier job in a mall selling shoes I’m swamped I definitely know the truth. Black tiger is black tiger. for example, in hark fu moon, ther is a kuan called hark fu moon kuan. it is also called by this name in the shang tung black tiger system, but the pretentious ones in the fu jow pai call this very same kuan step for step ya lo (sp?) DUDE GET A CLUE IT’S THE SAME FORM…oh yeah I forgot…you don’t practice martial arts at all…I don’t suppose you would understand at all really. I’m not sure about this but it looks like jeleisifu is doing this kuan in his first 2 photos in the pics area.
Yeah check out Kung Lek’s lineage chart, it’s a HOOT!
Wong Bil Hong was BORN 150yrs ago, learned HUNG GA from Wong Fei-Hung, met a mysterious, nameless monk, who of course spilled the beans about a heretofor unknown “Black Tiger” style and although it had been “preciously held by monks”, Bil Hong CHANGED the name to Fu Jow Pai.
Because of lineage disputes and politics, some have returned to the “Hark Fu Moon” title, supposedly the root system, but it’s all from the same place…
Sadly on the wrong path.
Tigerlilly,
Nobody is asking you to write an article; I really don’t need to read about your sifu’s past history and whatever useless stuff you always seem to write that never pertains to the questions I ask you. Plus we really don’t want or care to hear any of your sad stories; this is a martial arts forum, not a sad story forum. I do not practice any martial arts so I guess I should listen to someone who has only been training for 2 years in (so you were convienced to believe) Hark Fu Moon; 2 years, wow! you must be a master and know what you are talking about in Hark Fu Moon <being sarcastic>. In your profile, you say that you are “jack of all trades, master at none”, I think you should have put “A student of all, but a master at none”. What is it? is everybody trying to be like Bruce Lee and think that they can learn a little bit of everything and then create and name their own style so that they can market it. Here is another incorrect, bullsh_t lineage that I thought you might be interested in. hWing Chun]
Yep, that’s another goofy “lineage chart” so-called…
And what the what is THIS?
“The forms taught are traditional Sil Lum Black Tiger Hung Gar”… LOL 
Ahh NOW I truly do know the truth…Swiftlykilled is antagonistic, rude and really doesn’t know anything at all. And didn’t comment on my example because he doesn’t do kuan.I answered your question. Hey you can insult me and my lineage all you want, but like I’ve already said many times… before you judge me or my sifu or the other people you are now insulting with your all encompassing rude comments,maybe you should try studying martial arts.Oh are you talking about why the dumb guy who isn’t a sifu thinks my sifu shouldn’t teach. My sifu found a fellow martial artist in bed with his wife and nearly beat him to death.He was stupid enough to try to come back a few days later with some friends who were also beaten very badly. 2 had hospital stays. When he was given a hearing, all the other sifus admitted they weren’t sure they wouldn’t have done the same as him. He was never stripped of his rank, though he was on a sort of probation that lasted 5 years. That was 10 years ago. He was also aquitted of all charges…Here in arizona, 7 people attacking you is considered self defence. And the guy he found in bed with his wife could have been killed legally. It’s called justifyable homicide. So really all I did was talk about a bunch of stupid gossip just now for your benefit Swiftlykilled. Maybe you should back off now, possibly apologize for all those rude remarks. don’t you think a guy who can take on 7 at once can at the very least teach fighting? OH I forgot about mentioning that he signed a contract 2 months ago to fight Royce Gracie at the Cow Palace on Dec 15th. Yeah he must be a real nobody with no credentials…give me a break! Oh… since you intimately know all these Fu Jow Pai people why don’t you ask them about my sifu? Be sure to ask what kind of fighter he is…By the way, I never said I was an expert, but I’ve been studying CMA off and on since I was 12,that’s about how old you’re acting right now in my eyes. I warned you that any attempts to dis my sifu would end in silence on my end.I think it’s pretty funny that you didn’t know how to use the profiles, now you’re such an expert, you forgot to say thank you! You at the very least make me laugh Swiftlykilled
Cease to do evil & learn to do right,persue justice & champion the oppressed…IS 1:17 
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