[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;996655]You base that on what?[/QUOTE]personal life experience… how many others on these forums can box three 9lbers?? mills mess?? how about just juggle them for one minute in a deep horse stance??? 
[QUOTE=uki;996664]personal life experience… how many others on these forums can box three 9lbers?? mills mess?? how about just juggle them for one minute in a deep horse stance??? :p[/QUOTE]
That’s it?
Dude, you said:
iron ball juggling is in a class of it’s own in regards to strength training and conditioning of the upper body and arms… bar none.
I repeat: strength training and conditioning for the upper body and arms…bar none.
What have you compared it to? what Strength training protocol and methodologies?
[QUOTE=goju;996656]what was this debate about anyway? its seems it got off topic right after the op lol[/QUOTE]
It’s about whether or not putting whipped cream on yer boobies and other goodies is considered keeping kosher or not.
mma is the public guantlet tma’s face every time a new or relatively new martial art practitioner questions what is real, and effective. just cant get around it.
and IMO its a good thing. its a measuring tool at this point that can help people see for themselves if what they are seeing and doing is helping to move them in the direction they want to go.
However I think, as someone stated before, MMA leans more towards grappling profeciency in the over all picture, so there is a bit of a biasness in regards to ‘martial effectiveness’.
someone could be a very good striker and never make it in mma if they dont train enough on the grappling/submission aspect. at which point there ARE other outlets to see if what they are doing is worth while.
in CMA, we have Sanshou/Sanda.
When Bagua was first formulated, it should have remained the same throughout the rest of time. The first Bagua students should not have mixed in other martial arts styles of their own expertise. That is just not right. I feel a loss of control in this matter.
McMA is like choosing to eat at mcdonalds instead of cooking your own food. 
[QUOTE=Lucas;996692]mma is the public guantlet tma’s face every time a new or relatively new martial art practitioner questions what is real, and effective. just cant get around it.
and IMO its a good thing. its a measuring tool at this point that can help people see for themselves if what they are seeing and doing is helping to move them in the direction they want to go.
However I think, as someone stated before, MMA leans more towards grappling profeciency in the over all picture, so there is a bit of a biasness in regards to ‘martial effectiveness’.
someone could be a very good striker and never make it in mma if they dont train enough on the grappling/submission aspect. at which point there ARE other outlets to see if what they are doing is worth while.
in CMA, we have Sanshou/Sanda.[/QUOTE]
in cma we have ti/da/shuai/na
kick, punch, throw, lock
not much in the way of ground work in most styles really, but plent in regards to throwing and locking.
sanda allows throws.
I find that a lot of people don’t work their chin na / kum na enough and wind up not having good locking/seizing hands in guys who are sifu, this is usually not true, but in a great deal of practitioners, the seizing skill isn’t there.
seizing, and locking are a big deal in the material i work with these days.
here is something i was wondering about i know a lot of MMA guys enter grappling tourneys to test their grappling skills, i wonder how many enter striking competitions to test their striking skills.
i know sanda/boxing/kickboxing guys that go into mma do but how about the other way around. like guys that start in MMA going into striking competitions…
[QUOTE=Lucas;996736]here is something i was wondering about i know a lot of MMA guys enter grappling tourneys to test their grappling skills, i wonder how many enter striking competitions to test their striking skills.
i know sanda/boxing/kickboxing guys that go into mma do but how about the other way around. like guys that start in MMA going into striking competitions…[/QUOTE]
you have to train towards the venue that you are entering.
frankly anyone who enters a boxing ring better know some boxing or it’s lights out. mma, tma, whatever, if you are not training to box, you will not do well at boxing.
the same applies to most anything.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;996739]you have to train towards the venue that you are entering - the same applies to most anything.[/QUOTE]wise words… that’s why when i train my martial art, i am practicing to break bones, dislocate joints, and tear faces off - i don’t venture to entering a fight that is subject to a set of standards… if i am fighting, it’s because i am protecting my life or my families life, which to me is what the practice of martial arts truly amounts to… you can all buy your tapout clothing, pump your fist, and think your the baddest mother****er there is on the planet, but **** with me and my family and i’ll tear your god-****ed throat out as i tie your ****ing arms into a bavarian pretzel.
thats a good mindset to have. mine is: stabby stabby stabby cut cut stabby stabby
[QUOTE=Lucas;996763]thats a good mindset to have. mine is: stabby stabby stabby cut cut stabby stabby[/QUOTE]that won’t work in a McMA fight. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=uki;996770]that won’t work in a McMA fight. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
of course not, luckily i wont be in any mma fights any time soon.
[QUOTE=Lucas;996775]of course not, luckily i wont be in any mma fights any time soon.[/QUOTE]lucky for them… sometimes i muse just going to fight and see how long it takes for me to get disqualified. 
[QUOTE=uki;996781]lucky for them… sometimes i muse just going to fight and see how long it takes for me to get disqualified. :D[/QUOTE]
now thats just down right mean. i’d still pay to see it though, keep me updated. :eek:
oh ya, make sure and list your style as "mason juggler’
wise words… that’s why when i train my martial art, i am practicing to break bones, dislocate joints, and tear faces off - i don’t venture to entering a fight that is subject to a set of standards… if i am fighting, it’s because i am protecting my life or my families life, which to me is what the practice of martial arts truly amounts to… you can all buy your tapout clothing, pump your fist, and think your the baddest mother****er there is on the planet, but **** with me and my family and i’ll tear your god-****ed throat out as i tie your ****ing arms into a bavarian pretzel.
you must go through a lot of training partners then. you also must have a hell of a legal team to keep you out of jail. :rolleyes:
Why is there such hard feelings towards others who practice differing arts?
I agree to a point on the new fad that is MMA, there are a lot of idiots that think if they wear the gear then it qualifies them to ‘kick a$$’, yes they are idiots and don’t appreciate the finer points. But on the other side of the spectrum you have the same idiots just dressed in pajamas, that think what they do qualifies them. It’s all give and take in the end.
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;996817]you must go through a lot of training partners then. you also must have a hell of a legal team to keep you out of jail.[/QUOTE]it’s all about intent… i don’t need to shoot someone to know i can.
hum… then how far does intent go, or how far will it take you?
Not that I don’t agree with you to a point.
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;996831]how far does intent go, or how far will it take you? [/QUOTE]as far as you intend to go.
Fatigue makes cowards of us all–Vince Lombardi.