[QUOTE=David Jamieson;996035]Yes, I am learning to follow suit in that respect.[/quote]
While you are here in the KUNG FU forum, you should attempt at learning a little bit about the TCMAs. I mean, what is it with your, “there is no qigong in Wing Chun”??? LOL,LOL
It will be even more helpful if you use it.
Know thyself first, before you even attempt to know others, special those who do not practice MMAs and instead practice those “strange” TCMAs, that confuse you so much.
The actual TCMA-ists, perhaps?
You mean those who do not make idiotic comments such as saying that there is no qigong in Wing Chun? LOL Or that Wing Chun is a “simple” style? LOL,LOL
I mean this is stuff that even beginner Wing Chunners wouldn’t say!!!
Oh, I see, Mr David “there is no qigong in Wing Chun” Jamieson…LOL
You couldn’t invent this stuff…I bet you claim “decades” of experience as well…LOL
Hey, I didn’t know that you were so “hands on”, but if you really are, then let me give you an original idea. Look, just between us, you can put “my door is always open” under your avatar in the forum. It will make you look cool and fearless. You might even fool the more gullible members into thinking that you have some actual TCMA knowledge..
HW8, quit clogging up the forum with your ridiculously long post to someone that has you on ignore. It’s like punishing everyone else because you feel you have to ‘retaliate’ in some form or another.
[QUOTE=ManilaCrane;996176]I will just have to say that there is no style that is superior to another. Its all a matter of skill level a person has and tactics they use.[/QUOTE]
Careful now. If you keep making sense people will stop listening to you. lol
[QUOTE=ManilaCrane;996176]I will just have to say that there is no style that is superior to another. Its all a matter of skill level a person has and tactics they use.[/QUOTE]
I respectfully disagree. If you have a fighting style like boxing which does not have any elbows or kicks/knees, nor any takedowns or throws and compare it to Sanda/Sanshou then you will see the distinctions.
Put two fighters of similar experience, each from one of the styles, in a ring and you will see even more distinctions.
Then repeat the same with different fighters, say around 10 bouts, then you should see a definite trend towards the superior style.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;996197]In sporting terms, my money would be on the Sanda/Sanshou exponents. What about you?[/QUOTE]
I really don’t think there a best style, because, based on conditions, opponents, and other factors, different styles work better in different scenarios.
I’m a CLF fan, and don’t see myself changing gears any time soon.
[QUOTE=Drake;996190]And what would the superior style be?[/QUOTE]
In Tyson’s prime I wouldn’t bet against him versus the world HW MT champ, would you?
This is the formula that has been proven over and over again:
Person >Training>style
( with some minor variations based on special circumstance)
[QUOTE=Drake;996201]I really don’t think there a best style, because, based on conditions, opponents, and other factors, different styles work better in different scenarios.[/quote]
What about the street condition? I ask because that is why I am learning kung fu with that in mind.
IMHO, taking a boxer and putting him in a fight with a Sashou/Sanda fighter is going to put the former in a disadvantage most of the time, be it the street or the ring.
CLF, when practiced correctly, is a complete and potent style and yes, more complete than boxing. I really believe that if you train it correctly you will not need much else when it comes to fighting. Apparently, some of CLF’s hand attacks can crumble a boxing guard, or at least that is what I have heard.
So, I still believe that there are styles that are superior to others, but then that is just me, perhaps…
I’ve seen more than one TCMA guy schooled by a boxer. Nothing the TCMA guy had mattered, really, because the boxer had ridiculous mobility, footwork, and striking power. The TCMA guy simply couldn’t hold up to the blitz of punches, and most of the kicks swatted at empty space.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;996210]In Tyson’s prime I wouldn’t bet against him versus the world HW MT champ, would you?
This is the formula that has been proven over and over again:
Person >Training>style[/quote]
It would depend…You probably would not bet against Tyson when he fought Buster Douglas.
First of all do they use the same type of weighting requirements in MT as they do boxing? If so, then imagine one those tough Thai fighters weighing the same as Tyson, and a heavy weight world champion at that. How would Tyson react to being clinched and kneed in the ribs? how would he react to beingheel kicked as he tried to close the distance and etc.
OF course, was exceptional, even in HW boxing terms. But organize 10 such bouts of varying weight levels and see what the trend would be. I would still put money on the MT guys.
Also, what if the MT people were allowed knee kicks? I am sure that is in the arsenal of the original art.
Change again, replace the MT people with Sanda champions. Now they would be allowed to lift and thump their opponents to the ground…
So, I still believe that some arts are more complete than others and for that reason they would be superior.
[QUOTE=Drake;996217]I’ve seen more than one TCMA guy schooled by a boxer. Nothing the TCMA guy had mattered, really, because the boxer had ridiculous mobility, footwork, and striking power. The TCMA guy simply couldn’t hold up to the blitz of punches, and most of the kicks swatted at empty space.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps they were not similar level fighters. Also, IMHO, the average quality of TCMA schools out there is so bad that I would assume that a higher portion of Boxing schools provide potent fighters, when compared to kung fu ones.
One of the reasons that I used the Sanshou example in the beginning was that they are sports fighting so they would be a more credible comparison with boxing.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;996239]And the best place to learn MMA is in your New York San Duh! school, I suppose?[/QUOTE]duh. i hear their is another kung fu franchise run by a guy that has superhuman strength evolved from playing with sledgehammers to look tough.
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