Some of you might want to take a look at this…
http://hikutacombatsystems.com/
It sound almost too good to be true. Check out the FAQ, the system is even “plug and play” compatible 
haamu
…I know nothing about this system. I just love that the instructor’s name is “Jack Savage”.
I’ve reviewed the material on which this is based. “D.O.K.” Lee founded the art of Hikuta and taught it to someone named Al Abidin, who taught it to Jack “Savage,” self-described spec-ops tactical unit-type fellow.
Jack is the real deal. He works at the same place I do. Excellent all around fighter. A true hunter/shooter. He just uses an alias for his internet site.
Why, what do you do for a living?
Seen that before,and it may very well be good but…
I wonder what kind of a violent mood swing or utter glimpse of ignorance do they feel who type out loud about “most effective systems”.
Just for the record, i was joking.
I don’t know this Savage guy, but people make their oppinions based on what they see. I see a website full of CAPITALIZED words and “ancient most effective never-seen-before” mumbojambo. Now, if this guy is a real deal, maybe he should act like one.
Thanks for those reviews Phil, they were pretty much what i expected them to be. Though, i would love to read more about those “homemade self-defense spray formulas”
Anyone have info about eqyptian martial arts? Are there such?
haamu
Most probably there are,since Egypt has a long history and culture.
Even we do have one,kas-pin.
Maybe various have died,and those that have not,are rare and remain in certain “secretcy”…just my ideas though.
Here´s a link that I found.
Sadly, the question of “Egyptian martial arts” usually gets caught up and obscured by representatives from the revisionist history/Afrocentrism movements, who try to tie black Africans to the society of Ancient Egypt and wrap the whole thing up in a hymn to “it all started here with us” ideas. There is no way to get solid answers on the issue.
The ancient Egyptians did indeed have a rich culture and much to recommend them, but we know precious little about them by comparison to the totality of their society.
Sharp Phil:
If I remember correctly, tsunami surfer works for the US Department of Energy as a member of that agency’s Special Reaction Teams (SRT). They’re basically a souped up version of a “regular” law enforcement style SWAT team .
You have to have prior experience in the military, or as an LEO with service in a tactical unit to get hired. The job description basically amounts to you doing shooting, CQB, and team drills all day long and getting paid for it.
My idea of heaven.
Here’s a link:
Hikuta
Greetings Kung Fu guys!
Did growing up on a steady diet of the Kung Fu series and Asian Kung Fu flicks perhaps influence the direction my life has taken?
I’ve trained with some Kung Fu experts over the years- thier blazing speed is truely something to behold!
For a review of DOK Lee’s old Hikuta package (the tape and book complement each other and do very little as stand alones) form a hard core training group (as opposed to a accountant/amateur writer with little in the way of MA skills by his own admission ) go to :
http://www.amacord.com/chigung/
This has been posted in 1997-long before myself or even Al were finally awarded Master Trainer certifications in Hikuta.
Short version:
From a hard core training group :
7. The quickest and most practical training I've seen for learning to strike is...Hikuta: ... <it>deliver the goods in a way no other ... I've seen matches.
8. There are two problems in striking another person: 1) not striking them hard enough to be effective and 2) hurting your own hand. Hikuta overcomes both these problems very nicely. You do not have to be a big bruiser to stun and undermine the attack of a big bruiser. Also, if you can get your hands on just about any hard object, a hairbrush, a glass, even a tooth brush or a pocket calculator, you've got a deadly and covert weapon - if you know how to use it. ...From http://www.amacord.com/chigung/
Hikuta is growing in popularity -tho I doubt it will ever be “mainstream”- leaving me less and less time to frequent the message boards. So when or if I ever return to post or check posts is a question mark.
Any specific questions concerning Hikuta can be posted on the Hikuta message board - http://pub95.ezboard.com/bhikutacombatsystems -or e mail me : HiComSys@yahoo.com.
Or e mail Al Abidin - his web site is: cutting-edge-combat.com
There are roughly a half dozen or so other CERTIFIED Hikuta instructors in the US- if interested in personal training/demos contact me and I’ll put you in touch with the nearest one.
Any questions dealing with self defense in general or fitness just drop me a line and do what I can to help or direct you to someone who can.
Thanks for your interest!
Knowledge Replaces Fear!
Jack Savage
HikutaCombatSystems.com
tsunami surfer
In my unit we just call him : the Bad @@@! or Billy Bad @@@. The nickname says it all.
Billy may hold the record for most times making our elite tactical competition team (is this nine or ten years now?)- hasn’t won it yet, but is always a threat!
Billy has a tactical training business going on the side, where he trains many local law enforcement and SWAT operators in advanced skills. Anyone in the Augusta, Ga area desiring this can contact him.
You can go to Thunder Ranch , Blackwater etc, and make no mistake about it- you WILL develop awesome pistolcraft/tactical or other skills (if you train consistantly) OR for a fraction of the cost, train under an elite operator such as Billy- and develop identical skills!
Currently training in BJJ/kickboxing it’s always a treat to roll around on the mat with him to test how my catch wrestling training is progressing
Those interested in getting into this line of work - were hiring! All over the country no less! Military/law enforcement is prefered but not a must.Billy, Bones, Bam Bam, myself and others can’t do this forever! Plan on 2-3 years of conditioning/shooting preparation to get ready. The wash out rate for EXPERIENCED shooters in our classes runs 30% or more. If runnin’ and gunnin’ or the more laid back counter sniping field is what you always wanted- there will never be a better time to get into it than now.
Remember- you do what you are!
Knowledge Replaces Fear!
Jack Savage
Re: tsunami surfer
Originally posted by JacSavage
Currently training in BJJ/kickboxing it’s always a treat to roll around on the mat with him to test how my catch wrestling training is progressing
…so, you’re a Hikuta instructor training kickboxing, BJJ, AND Catch Wrestling?
Who are you training Catch under, may I ask?
my favorite line: “he wasn’t even oriental!”
ah boy.
you know, maybe everyone who’s ever laid eyes on hikuta could kick the ever-loving crap out of me. but that line made me smile. i kinda figured we were past assumptions like that. especially when this hikuta isn’t supposed to be ‘oriental’ in the first place.
stuart b.
from a hikuta testimonial:
I never felt the impact of the Hikuta strike. I don’t remember any conscience thought process on my part to throw the punch. “It” just happened. I DO remember pulling the strike before it impacted (I didn’t want to hurt him).
now, you can’t have it both ways. you can’t claim not to have been conscious of throwing the strike at all and having the presence of mind to pull the strike so as not to seriously hurt your opponent.
i know this piece of marketing is intended to illustrate that hikuta is 1) easy to program into your subconscious reactions and 2) so dangerous that you’d have to pull it for fear of killing someone. but come off it. this is precisely the sort of stuff that makes me a disbeliever.
excerpted from same testimonial:
All I was ever really aware of was the inmate falling over like a felled tree. No steps backward or any other movement… just toppling over onto his back.
so which is it? did the guy fall down as if by magic? with the hikuta specialist not even realizing what they’d done until it was over? or did the hikuta specialist have the time and presence of mind to make a calculated judgment about whether or not to hurt his opponent, arriving at the decision to pull the punch?
personally, i want people to play it straight with me. even in advertising. especially in advertising. and this just doesn’t do the trick.
stuart b.
"Based upon simple scientific principles,soon 100 lbish women -with only a few minuets of Hikuta training under their belt-were able to smack their giant male coworkers (wearing specially made protective pads) across the room with ease .
“They became believers in the power of Hikuta one and all!!”
****, now that’s a style 
Unlike you, Jack “Savage,” I do not run around claiming to be some sort of black bag spec-ops supersoldier who’s trained as a Ninja and wields the physical power of the ancient Pharoah’s bodyguards. My opinion is nevertheless more informed than yours, regardless of whatever security work in which you may or may not be engaged.
The rest of you will have to forgive Jack’s somewhat sour attitude – he’s been bitter about the review ever since it was published. There is at least a seventy percent chance that this thread will now devolve into him hurling insults at me, which is his usual pattern.
Those looking at “Hikuta” from the outside are better served by an objective review of the material, rather than empty testimonials provided by believers in this contrived system. It fascinates me that the only rebuttal Jack can produce where my book review and video review are concerned is the same sad three-paragraph, 200-word blurb he’s quoted before. His “short version” is more than half the total “review,” if you can call it that – the whole thing is this:
- The quickest and most practical training I’ve seen for learning to strike is a book and video tape called “Hikuta: The Art of Controlled Violence.” It used to be available from a company called the Hanford Press in Canton, Ohio. (It’s a subset of the Suarez Corporation. Sorry, that’s all I know about it. If you write me for more details on how to get this material, I won’t respond. )
Hikuta sounds like a made up name to me and its history, as presented, sounds a bit far fetched. Nonetheless, the people who put the book and tape together deliver the goods in a way no other book or training I’ve seen matches.
- There are two problems in striking another person: 1) not striking them hard enough to be effective and 2) hurting your own hand. Hikuta overcomes both these problems very nicely. You do not have to be a big bruiser to stun and undermine the attack of a big bruiser. Also, if you can get your hands on just about any hard object, a hairbrush, a glass, even a tooth brush or a pocket calculator, you’ve got a deadly and covert weapon - if you know how to use it.
Who is this “hard core training group” to which Jack refers so desperately? He’s one individual who believes the future of the martial arts is Systema and who apparently works as some sort of marketer and consultant. That’s hardly what I would call a “hard core training group,” though it is apparently very important to Jack that this 200-word review carry more weight than actual objective analysis of Hikuta. Jack was so thrilled that another individual referred to him as the “real deal” that he quoted this at his own forum – not once, but twice.
If you can find some substantive error in my reviews, Jack, you’re welcome to bring it to my attention. I realize that the great sin I have committed in failing to be convinced regarding the validity of the art you study pains you great, tied as it is to your fragile sense of self-esteem, but sooner or later you will have to accept the fact that not all of us share your insecurities.
For further reading, I suggest:
Insecurity in the Martial Arts
How To Spot A Virtual Tough Guy
Martial Arts Defense Mechanisms
Tenth Dan In Bul Shi Tsu: Absurd Claims and Martial Efficacy
book/vid review
To see an in-dept discussion on Phil’s attempt at a review of DOK Lee’s material go to:
You’ll find posts from Kublar Al, a WW@ combatives expert, and a hard core trainee in various combative arts (who is probably well known to many of you) :
http://pub95.ezboard.com/fhikutacombatsystemsfrm1.showMessage?topicID=115.topic
There is a old saying : consider the source!
Who would you believe? Combative experts such as myself ( I’ve appeared in various internation and US magazines on Combatives ), AL , Trim(who has had articles published in Black Belt), Tsunami Surfer (well known combatives instructor and operator), Swifty ( a hard core trainee in various systems) and many others or Phil Elmore- a novice martial artist (despit 10 years of training!)/accountant/sci-fi buff/ AND expert (in his own mind mostly) reviewer of Martial Arts tapes!
There is something really sad about a novice like Phil attempting to critique’ bonefied professional experts in their field! Stick to your bean counting Phil!
Jack Savage
HikutaCombatSystems.com
PS_
Better yet, why not get some Hikuta material and train a bit for yourself- discover the difference!
who would i believe? the guy that doesn’t sound like he’s trying to sell me something.
“discover the difference”?!
good grief, you sound like a used car salesman. this product may well be the be all, end all. but the more you talk, the more i doubt.
and while i’m admittedly not in the ‘combatives’ crowd, i’ve never heard of a one of you.
There is a old saying : consider the source!
beautiful! i am considering the source. i haven’t read sharp phil’s review. and i’m not sure i’m going to. but considering the source, he’s a reviewer and you’re a sales rep. it’s not rock science figuring out that your description of hikuta is going to be at least as distorted as his.
stuart b.
I see I should have raised considerably the percentage chance that Jack “Savage” would repeat his previous pattern of behavior.
To see an in-dept discussion on Phil’s attempt at a review of DOK Lee’s material go to:
You’ll find posts from Kublar Al, a WW@ combatives expert, and a hard core trainee in various combative arts (who is probably well known to many of you) :
It’s interesting that Jack mentions “Kublar” Al, with whom I traded perfectly pleasant, civil e-mails. I distinctly recall telling Al that Jack was a big liability to “Hikuta,” in that Jack maintains more of an active presence on the Web and generally makes a fool of himself everywhere he goes.
Jack lists a link to his own forum in which he attacks me, taking a page from Kungfoolss’ rulebook in basically having a conversation with himself. Anyone who cares to see the actual conversation may find it here at the forum where it originally took place:
http://pub17.ezboard.com/fanimalabilitycombatcorner.showMessage?topicID=545.topic
Unlike Jack’s intellectually dishonest and self-masturbatory posting of only those posts favorable to him at Jack’s own somewhat sad and desolate forum, the original thread contains my responses and the commentary of other interested parties.
Then there is this thread in which I posted a link to the review originally. The board op had to close the thread because Jack could not manage a single substantive response, relying instead on insults and impotent anger.
It’s painfully obvious, Jack, that you believe any criticism or lack of belief in Hikuta constitutes a personal attack on you. I strongly suggest you take some time to examine why this is the case. Why is it that Al can speak on these subjects in a civil, adult manner, but you cannot?
There is a old saying : consider the source!
Yes, let’s do that. One may take the word of a syntax-challenged, obviously bitter Hikuta “instructor” who has a vested interest in promoting the art in question, or we can actually look at the reviews that have so outraged you and try to find something about them that is substantively incorrect. I’m willing to bet you can’t do that, as you’ve demonstrated that you are completely unprepared to address any criticism or rebuttal of your hysterical posts.
Who would you believe? Combative experts such as myself ( I’ve appeared in various internation and US magazines on Combatives )
You make it sound as if you’ve personally published articles on the topic, when in fact your “unit” has allegedly appeared in… what was it, S.W.A.T. magazine? The fact that you are some sort of armed security personnel does not automatically make you an expert in combatives, though I’m sure you’d like us to believe you are. But then, this thread is not about your background – it is about Hikuta itself.
When you ask us simply to take your word that Hikuta is good because you are supposed to be a “combatives expert,” you commit the logical fallacy called the Appeal to Authority.
, AL , Trim(who has had articles published in Black Belt), Tsunami Surfer (well known combatives instructor and operator), Swifty ( a hard core trainee in various systems)
Yes, Jack, everyone who agrees with you is automatically a “hard core trainee,” while everyone who does not is… not, apparently. Sooner or later it will dawn on you that adults often disagree and are capable of doing it without making raving, braying jackasses of themselves.
…and many others or Phil Elmore- a novice martial artist (despit 10 years of training!)/accountant/sci-fi buff/ AND expert (in his own mind mostly) reviewer of Martial Arts tapes!
I see you’re using those psychic powers you’ve used before, Jack, in order to tell the assembled multitude what I think. I have never declared myself an expert on anything; I simply write about what I know and do so objectively and fairly. You are bitter because my review of the Hikuta material is generally not positive, and that is understandable – but other than making ad hominem attacks on me and committing other logical fallacies, you are incapable of addressing anything within the review. The reason you have not done this is because the review is entirely fair and accurate.
As for my credentials as a reviewer, I will let the list of people who have submitted materials to me speak for itself. I expect there are a few names on that list of whom readers of this thread have actually heard, even if they’ve never heard of “Hikuta.”
The Reviews Page, Which Links to Reviews By Category
There is something really sad about a novice like Phil attempting to critique’ bonefied professional experts in their field! Stick to your bean counting Phil!
There is something really sad about a grown man who actually prefers people to call him Jack “Savage” lashing out in such a childish manner, attacking the messenger because he does not like the message (yet cannot actually find true fault with it).
You’re a “bonefied professional,” all right.
stuart b. wrote:
beautiful! i am considering the source. i haven’t read sharp phil’s review. and i’m not sure i’m going to. but considering the source, he’s a reviewer and you’re a sales rep. it’s not rock science figuring out that your description of hikuta is going to be at least as distorted as his.
I hope you find the time to read the review, Stuart, as I think it is objective and will help anyone who’s looking for some outside insight on this alleged Ancient Egyptian-inspired art. Jack, in the midst of his somewhat embarassing tirade, mentioned Justin Swift, with whom other posters may be familiar. He and I disagree on the merits of Hikuta – he finds it worthwhile – but he, at least, is capable of doing so like a grown-up.