In terms of the myriad definitions of philosophy, there is no reason why it should be excluded from discussion here – “the search for wisdom or knowledge,” “theory or logical analysis of the principles underlying conduct, thought, knowledge, and the nature of the universe…”.
Because with all the conditioning and sparring and teachings from a particular style, decisions have to be made as to how to use what you have learned and how it is affecting your life. At various levels, the spirit (with or without a religious origin) comes into play, imo. To choose not to read certain subject matter of import to others is one thing; to wish it gone is another.
One might opt to swallow whole another person’s or group’s philosophy to answer ethical, and possibly religious needs. Even if that is so, there is a need to share experiences and thoughts, and questions, for the good of individuals and for the good of the larger community. These topics do apply very much to martial arts. Even for people who march to a different drummer, striving for self knowledge and actualization, without faith. I mean, if something doesn’t interest me, I don’t read it. Religion includes philosophy, and a lot more, including faith (a firm belief in that which might be beyond proof).
I think that for someone who does martial arts to the point of being able and willing to seriously hurt other people, there needs to be a knowledge of self and what you will or will not do, before some situations arise in a more critical sense. To prove to Yourself what you are, and what you aren’t. Talking about it can give direction or change a path, or not make much difference when a person already knows. I can’t speak for anyone else; only me.
But, there is something else going on here. It’s are you a monk or a doer? And then, what kind of doer? Besides, who says that a monk, or someone without religious affiliation, but with a devoted heart, can’t do? Monks never fought? What would Jesus think? Well, unless one is a practicing Christian and is bound to justify one’s actions according to those rules, what difference does it make? Our individual philosophies and/or religions strongly determine our choices. If this was the only point to be made, it would provide a strong argument for inclusion of everyone’s input.
Just because most of the philosophers of old don’t hold you, doesn’t mean there is nothing worthwhile to be considered in another person’s heart and mind and spirit, and that part of that consideration springs partially from previous education. No, I don’t believe in enlightenment either. Lots of things I turn from. But, I’m not annoyed that other people write about them.
I know that I had considered a kind of water and rock relationship scenario. Several, in fact. Flowing, sure. But also, erosion and smashing. When water hits a rock, there is an effect on both. We’re not water. We’re human. When we hit something or something hits us hard enough, there can be pieces torn or left behind. The training offers protection, up to a point. In the extreme, either just going with it, with what you have or can learn (with or without words) is about all one has. Some people add faith. I don’t.
EvolutionFist, it sounds to me like you might be fishing, quite seriously. If I’m incorrect, please excuse me.
Cody
Here let me see if I’m right.