(sorry, i know i posted this question before, but i think it died down and i’m lookin for an array of answers/opinions?)
hung ga is described as having the essence of tiger/crane. wing chun is said to be remiscient of snake/crane. jow ga is said to have the patterns of the tiger and the leopard. although there are many animal patterns taught in all of these systems, and CLF as well, what animals mainly depict CLF? i think i heard before someone say leopard and elephant before? jus curious..
My sifu Said there are 10 animals in CLF. I think you learn the 5 classic animal forms (Dragon, Leopard, Tiger, Snake, Crane) before you learn the others. He mentioned elephant, lion, horse, monkey and one he didn’t know the name for in english. He didn’t know how to describe it either, eventually I’ll have to go in there with an zooligical book or something and have him point it out. I just started taking CLF so forgive me if I am wrong in any of the aspects.
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SOUTHERN FISTS AND NORTHER KICKS
CLF = PANTHER FIST KUNG FU
COMING FROM A BUK SING LINE OUR CLF IS INFLUENCED BY KYC BUK SIL LUM AND IS OFTEN REFERD TO AS SOUTHERN FISTS AND NORTHERN KICKS .
I MAY BE WRONG BUT I BELIEVE ELEPHANT STYLE IS OFTEN FOUND IN VIETNAMESE KUNG FU. AND I HAVE SEEN NO ELEPHANTS IN OUR GWOON. 
I believe the other animal is deer, at least thats what the Chan Family lists as their 10 animals and I think your sifu is Chan Wing Fat’s cousin.
As far as the elephant thing goes, the long sow choys and cup choys are said to be similar to the patterns of the elephant’s trunk.
My line of CLF which comes from Lee Koon Hung has a lot of panther fist techniques. A lot of the long blocking techniques could be seen as crane wings as well.
In my opinion though the essence of CLF is not essentially one particular animal but rather the 10 seeds (gwa, sow, chop, etc…)
Peace.
My opinion is panther and crane predominantly. Most every form from CLFNole and my branch has these elements in it. The exceptions are the animal forms…for example the crane form which has no leopard techniques. Or the tiger form which also has no leopard fist. I think that Bak Sing emphasizes the leopard fist more than the other branches. Good technique but why limit yourself? Maybe they borrow from Bak Siu Lum for more variety?Can’t really say because I haven’t seen enough Bak Sing.
Fu Pow:
Actually our tiger form has quite a few panther fist strikes in it. To me there aren’t enough tiger claws and in fact I don’t find it very “tigery” sort to speak. Its an ok form, kind of hung gar like to a degree with regard to power and its pace.
I much prefer fu pow kuen myself.
Peace.
BUK SING
"I think that Bak Sing emphasizes the leopard fist more than the other branches. Good technique but why limit yourself? "-FU POW
It’s not that Buk sing is more limited by the added emphasis to the chop choi. It has a larger variety of panther fist techniqes as Tarm Sarm the founder of clf buk sing gwoon developed many new techniqes using the panther fist such as the tau lau chop. Tarm Sarm was famous for being a fighter which is why buk sing has less forms than other clf branches and stress fighting techniqes more.
Fu Pow I have removed you from my ignore list. I just cant resist seeing what you have to say . dont mean any disrespect peace.
Asking the question, “What animal mainly depict CLF?” is like trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. CLF has all 10 animals and the ultimate aim is to be good at all of them, or at least good at 5 first and then 10 of them.
Having said that, most people only have enough time to concentrate on 2 or 3 at the most. Tarm Sarm concentrated only on one and still managed to become a great fighter, imagine what would happen if you are equally good at two? Panther’s spirit and essence can be “soften” with Monkey or Deer for example.
The idea of having so many animal techniques is to find ones that would fit a fighter the best in terms of size, personality and agility. Some of the westerners with their weight, siz nd speed would make a great elephant fighter if they don’t think it is funny and believe me, elephants can fight!
The down side for the students is that if the teacher only concentrate on one animal and don’t know more, then the breath and the depth of the art is curtailed his limited knowledge and its characteristics changed from the founder’s original intention.
Also when a person only works on one animal all the time, in the end he has to incorporate or invent other techniques to make it more comprehensive. BTW, Tau Lau Charp is not uniquely Bak Sing, although Tarm Sarm made it famous.
an interesting thread.
to clarify with hung kuen, it is true that fu/hok is a main piece concept within the skills, however if you focus only on these two parts of hung kuen the art is lost.
two reasons why hung kuen is spoken in that fashion is, it comes from Lam Sai Wing naming of his skill base and which to some degree his school name was given and the fact that the form - fu hok cern ying kuen is a more pleasing form when watched, well so they say, for myself i prefer gung gee fuk fu kuen.
what clfnole and extrajoseph says on CLF is well said, CLF like hung kuen follow 10 animals and also elements, although these days generally speaking with hung kuen only 5 are mentioned.
too tam sam and tau lau charp this is a great example of a player using a CLF style and developing it to suit his type of play on the art, a good leason for all players, i would not say that tam sam concentrate only on one animals but would say he SPECIALISED in a particular animal that clearly he favoured,although he was known of coarse to use much of the many great arsnel of CLF
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My bad, I don’t actually know the tiger form yet. My Sifu taught me Fu-Pow kuen do to my size (definitely a cool form). Will probably learn Tiger form at somepoint later on.
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What a pleasure it is to find that we are agreeing with each other for a change. Must be my lucky day…
i’m glad to see that there’s a place created where we can share ideas and points of views to further understand, appreciate, and respect eachothers differences! that said, i was VERY iffy about postin this topic b/c i didnt want to spark any old fires, but also mainly because i knew that most people would say not to classify CLF as any two animals. of course, most of us southern stylist have a lot of similar techniques and strategies (including animals) which was my main curiousity to see how other branches of other systems view their branch. of course jow ga as well has the minimum 5 animals, 5 elements. and there are other animals as well. when i look @ a core form/stlye of a system, i like to observe the main strategies that are particular to it. for example i usually see a greater emphasis on power and stabilty in most hung ga, and a greater emphasis on speed and mobility in most CLF. PLEASE NO ONE TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT! jus my observation.. which is why i like to observe how different systems extract certain animal strategies in which to center their system, while at the same time having the remaining animal strategies to complement this. jus my point of view and my two cents.. great replies! i’d love to see more!
for example i usually see a greater emphasis on power and stabilty in most hung ga, and a greater emphasis on speed and mobility in most CLF. PLEASE NO ONE TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT! jus my observation.. which is why i like to observe how different systems extract certain animal strategies in which to center their system, while at the same time having the remaining animal strategies to complement this. jus my point of view and my two cents.. great replies! i’d love to see more!
Yes there definitely is this difference. Hung Ga’s stance is more rooted, the movements more compact and there is more emphasis on attacking the opponents limbs. CLF is less rooted but more mobile, less emphasis on attacking limbs (although it’s still there) and the movements are more extended.
These differences reflect different strategies.
…the essence of my bak hsing is to simply kick some a$$.
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well put. we’re in agreeance.
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extra joseph
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spoken like a true buk sing peace