the End to the "Real" Tai Shing Pek Kwar Controversy

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[QUOTE=tattooedmonk;755909]So what are you saying??Is he lying?? Two people coming from one master means two branches. Just a small tree. How can you say it is not martial arts?? I mean you look at what he does and see no martial application?? Not kung fu?? But did it not take time and effort to get what skill he has??Why do you say it is not TSPK??[/QUOTE]

Oh dear! First off, his teacher did not exist. He is lying. None of the crap that he does is TSPK. You have no idea what you are talking about and it is getting to be insulting. He no longer teaches his crap, because he was cought out there. Have you ever seen what he does? No one knew him or his teachers in Hong Kong.

It is funny how when a person who does the style in question tells you something and you don’t want to believe them.

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[QUOTE=Sang Feng Fan;755945][URL=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WfhbJhCwnE”]Whether or not it’s Kung Fu or not is not the question.

The question is why does he call it TSPK since it is not?

Why does he claim a lineage he does not hold?

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That looks very Zink-ish especially the bow. That was not TSPK. There are certain characteristics that is not in this form. There was no claim of TSPK so there isn’t a problem.

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meaning what??

Did you search the forum? What I mean is that based on the evidence that others presented, and based on video comparisons between Chan Sau Chung’s people and what Zink does, it shows pretty clearly that he lied about his martial arts background, and stole material from another book for his own. You can get the details by searching the forum. It’s been talked about numerous times.

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[QUOTE=Flying-Monkey;756074]Oh dear! First off, his teacher did not exist. He is lying. None of the crap that he does is TSPK. You have no idea what you are talking about and it is getting to be insulting. He no longer teaches his crap, because he was cought out there. Have you ever seen what he does? No one knew him or his teachers in Hong Kong.

It is funny how when a person who does the style in question tells you something and you don’t want to believe them.[/QUOTE]First off, no one can be insulted unless they accept the insult , second I was not intending to insult anyone nor did I. I was just asking questions.

How did you come about these facts about him and how do you know that they are true or not??

I have read your posts in other threads you accuse everyone who does not come from who you think are reliable sources of beings liars, frauds , and the like .

All did was come here to get involved in some conversation, get some info, and maybe a little debate, but you sir have turned this into something else.

So would like to start again or do you want to continue to be an @$$??

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[QUOTE=tattooedmonk;756106]First off, no one can be insulted unless they accept the insult , second I was not intending to insult anyone nor did I. I was just asking questions.

How did you come about these facts about him and how do you know that they are true or not??

I have read your posts in other threads you accuse everyone who does not come from who you think are reliable sources of beings liars, frauds , and the like .

All did was come here to get involved in some conversation, get some info, and maybe a little debate, but you sir have turned this into something else.

So would like to start again or do you want to continue to be an @$$??[/QUOTE]

Dude you are the ass. You are known to be an ass. How do I know? Let’s see. Sigung is undoubtedly known to be a student of Sitaigung Ken. He was Sitaigung’s right hand man. Look at any group picture of Sitaigung and you will see Sigung Chan right next to him. This is true in Zink’s pictures as well. Zink’s picture came from a book that Sigung wrote years ago. Sigung talked to Michael Matsuda (Zink’s top student) and asked him to stop using them. Matsuda’s reply was " We can use them because the copyrights had expired." I personally saw the original photos. I have slept in Sigungs house. I have ate his food. And I have spoken with him for hours about this. His son, Sifu Chan, and he demonstrated techniques in front of me to show me what was wrong with what Zink was doing. They proved (easily) that the only thing Zink knows about TSPK monkey is that it is monkey.

Monkey kung fu is a rare style. Are there other styles of monkey beside TSPK monkey? Probably, but TSPK monkey can be traced to it’s founder. I have spoken to other “monkey” guys and 9 out of 10 of their stories lead nowhere. Many of them just say “I made it up.” or " My teacher made it up." And that’s cool. The problem comes when someone like Zink comes and says he does TSPK.

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[QUOTE=Flying-Monkey;755841]This style doesn’t. The tree doesn’t really have branches. Plus, if you look at what he claims, Sigung Chan Sau Chung and Zink’s Sigung had the same teacher: Sitaigung Ken. That really isn’t branching. What Zink does doesn’t look like MA let alone KF let alone TSPK.[/QUOTE]

All trees have branches, and monkeys must play upon the brances of the tree, upon which they brachiate (do you know what this means? I do, and it shows how intelligent I am, so perhaps you should listen to me closely.)

Don’t misdirect the argument by playing word games. That’s what scrabble is for. My Grandmaster Sensei learned TSPK directly from Chan Tai San, 10th dan of TSPK, and his system is remarkably similar to Paulie Zink’s regimen, just to let you know. Personally, I think if you’re doing something else, you might have been suckered into learning something fake.

Do you have video links. The only links I have of my master’s animal forms online are basic mantis and longfist forms.

I await your rebuttal.

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[QUOTE=Mega-Foot;756211]

Don’t misdirect the argument by playing word games. That’s what scrabble is for. My Grandmaster Sensei learned TSPK directly from Chan Tai San, 10th dan of TSPK, and his system is remarkably similar to Paulie Zink’s regimen, just to let you know. [/QUOTE]

ATTENTION TROLL

BE ADVISED

DO NOT use CTS name in your crap…

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[QUOTE=Mega-Foot;756211]

Don’t misdirect the argument by playing word games. That’s what scrabble is for. My Grandmaster Sensei learned TSPK directly from Chan Tai San, 10th dan of TSPK, and his system is remarkably similar to Paulie Zink’s regimen, just to let you know. Personally, I think if you’re doing something else, you might have been suckered into learning something fake.

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Chan Tai San’s disciple, Coach Ross, has repeatedly stated that Zinc is a fraud.

It’s already been stated here by CTS’s disciple Sifu Parella that Chan Tai San did not learn his monkey from Sigung Chan Sau Chung.

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[QUOTE=Mega-Foot;756211]All trees have branches, and monkeys must play upon the brances of the tree, upon which they brachiate (do you know what this means? I do, and it shows how intelligent I am, so perhaps you should listen to me closely.)

Don’t misdirect the argument by playing word games. That’s what scrabble is for. My Grandmaster Sensei learned TSPK directly from Chan Tai San, 10th dan of TSPK, and his system is remarkably similar to Paulie Zink’s regimen, just to let you know. Personally, I think if you’re doing something else, you might have been suckered into learning something fake.

Do you have video links. The only links I have of my master’s animal forms online are basic mantis and longfist forms.

I await your rebuttal.[/QUOTE]

Oh please! Are you saying Sigung Chan is fake?

Chan Tai San? The lama pai GM? I already spoke with Lama Pai guys about the few monkey forms that he knew. They even said it was different. GM Chan Tai San was a southern style expert. Where he learned monkey, I don’t know. If it was a different Chan Tai San, who was his teacher? Please don’t say Sitaigung Ken. I already asked if there was a Chan Tai San in the TSPK family and they said no. And please don’t say Master Kau :rolleyes:

Don’t disrespect a grand master you have no connection with. CTS RIP

There are no DANs in TSPK. What the hell are you talking about? If what you do is anything like what Zink does, then you were tricked.

There really aren’t any brunches in this tree. At least, there aren’t any yet. Sigung Chan was the only person Sitaigung taught the monkey style. Sigung then taught his kf brothers. Sigung Chan is the only student of Sitaigung still alive. When his kf brothers died, their students trained with him. The only branches are Sigung Chan’s students, but they teach it basically the way sigung wants them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRgyOzEbw8Q&mode=related&search=

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Sigung is in this intro too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Foatb7EcOxo&NR=1

Oh yeah, Sibak Chan Siu Chuen is in this too.

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Mega-Fool has no relationship to Chan Tai San…

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[QUOTE=lkfmdc;756238]Mega-Fool has no relationship to Chan Tai San…[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he is just trying to throw in a big name to try to legitimize his crap.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRgyOzEbw8Q&mode=related&search=

If anyone here is hosting this video… I think the title should be changed, it does no good to slander another respected teacher regardless of what we think of them… I know some other money kings myself, but they do business the way they want too… Many of their students are here too… But to host this vid with that title is a little too far, hope it will be changed…

Also, GM Chan Sau Chungs teacher is the founder of Tai Shing Pek Kwar, I think some here do not know this… GM Chan’s teacher Kwan Tak Hoi, did not like teaching since many who followed him were lazy in his opinion… GM Chan became his student at a very early age, his uncle begged Kwan Tak Hoi, GM Kwan was fond of Chan Sau Chung, after GM Chan handled all the teaching and knew everyone that GM Kwan taught…

It happens in every school… Even for our Lee Koon Hung Choy Lay Fut, we see people abroad who claim Lee Koon Hung taught them, they show us a form, its obvious its from another source that changed the form for a video of for their particular school and sometimes not even at all like ours…

So if Zink claimed just monkey… There would be no problem…

Peace…

Joe

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I sent a message to that dude and reposted that video with the appropriate title.

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[QUOTE=Flying-Monkey;757055]I sent a message to that dude and reposted that video with the appropriate title.[/QUOTE]

good.
this troll needs to get a reality check. like sowchow said if zinky said he just did monkey then it wouldnt be a problem. but he claims a lineage he doesnt belong too. and he claims things that are not true.

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yesterday afternoon my son was watching cartoon channel as I walked passed. I heared Kim Possible said something like " the guy is a master of Tai shing pek gwar".
So even Kim Possible knows this style now :slight_smile:

btw - as far as I know the monkey forms are only taught much much later in the style. Not many TSPK students know the monkey forms.

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holy ****, kim possible? nice.

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[QUOTE=Eddie;757166]btw - as far as I know the monkey forms are only taught much much later in the style. Not many TSPK students know the monkey forms.[/QUOTE]

Man I should hope so. Can you imagine being a white belt and told that you had to do a front roll come up and jump front ball kick and then as you drop do a 360 back leg sweep…and that’s just the opening of the form. :smiley:

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last night i was watching Master Chow Keung performing a small part of concrete monkey, and I realised that there is probably no way I would ever be able to do a monkey form. I think White Ape is probably more myself - being 6ft4 and weighing around 200lbs.

From a very short discussion with master chow, i gathered that there arent many players who knows the monkey part of TSPK. Parently he only learned it only very recently like around 20 years or so ago (being after about 20 years of training).

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Does Sifu Chow know all five of the sets? I thought I heard that only CSC knew them (and his son, but he no longer teaches). Anyone should be able to do the monkey sets I think. How tall is Chow keung?