LMAO!!! Holy cow, ok ummmmmmm checkmate to anerlich
Good points about the rest of the ‘fight’ scenerio btw. I was just too tired of the bs to go on and ‘humor’ him anymore with facts and reason, I kinda feel like a cat playing with a dead mouse if you know what I mean.
Also I believe that ‘reason’ wasn’t the only attribute in his (GM Cheung) sensibility. I figure maturity and a need to not have to retaliate on ridiculous ventures with a virtual (at the time) nobody, who lived forever and a day away, who did no real damage to my person or my business, prevailed. I wouldn’t have turned a molehill into a mountain either. Of course I have estrogen on my side
“WCK as most people train it does not look like it does in a fight (because some of us, like me for example, try to train it just like it looks in a fight). This is what I was getting at by pointing out that we need to begin by first recognizing what a fight is going to look like. It’s not going to look like what many idealize, and WCK in applicaiton isn’t going to look like what most practice, thus they are developing no real skill because they practice one thing but will need to do something else when they fight. And the more someone practices (reinforces) doing WCK in a way that doesn’t work, the more they decrease their fighting skills.” (t_niehoff)
I must dissagre with you. I think that you can not train wing chun in this way. If you have an idea of fighting in your head when you are practicisng wing chun, you are not going to get very far.Wing Chun is quite special and is not for everyone. It is to complex and deep to be learnt only to be able to defend one self on the street… it is just too much trouble and work. It is enough to practise on the bag and have a good conditioning and you are going to be better than most and be able to defend against most attacks on the street. You said that we need to begin by recognizing what a fight looks like. I don’t agree, that is not that very important at all what is important is to realize that what we are doing is training and that the purpose of that training is to improve our physical abilyties and our understanding of wing chun. Of course we must be aware that training is not fighting and that a fight is something completly different. Fight comes at the end (or even better never) not at the beggining. What is also important is to have in mind that Wing Chun is not (only) a set of movements, blocks and/or punches you apply in this or that situation. It is a sort of auto-pilot which “needs” that our body and mind are configured for wing chun in order for it to work properly. The only way to achieve this is through a lot of hard (wing chun) training. That’s why you dont train it just like it looks in a fight. Like in soccer training for instance. If a club wants to be good in soccer, players have to practise tehnuiqe, strategie, shooting, running all sorts of things and only one small part of training they play the game. If all they did was playing soccer all the time they would never be as good. The same is with wing chun, fighting is like playing soccer. I think that it can be good to have sparing from time to time but that is not very important for improving our wing chun skills. And even sparing can not prepare us mentally for the street. I realized some time ago that it is not very productive for my training to constantly think about if my wing chun is gona work in real fight or not. I’ve been in a couple of confrontations and i saw enough fights to realize that there are too much parameters involved to ever be 100 % certain of the outcome. So as far as i am concerned there is no use in worrying about it.
But before i go to much astray i must agree with you at something……..after all we are talking about an martial art/skill which means that regardless of what impresses us the most in wing chun and regardless of the reason why we personaly started it up, wing chun is designed for combat and for fighting. Having that in mind i think that persons who call them self masters ( not to talk about a title grandmaster which is as far as i know asigned posthumouly eg. late grandmaster yip man ) should be able to use their wing chun effectively.
My Sifu was there in Melborne training when this happened, so I asked what happened long ago. Sifu said he was surpriesed to see his Sifu back so early and once he found out what happened offered to take care of the problem (as other’s did of course), but like Andrew said Cheung refused and cooler heads prevailed. But from what I understand later on, Cheung was going to arrange some of his best instructors vs. Ting’s, so that would have been interesting but really who cares now.
As for family, I must disagree with Andrew here. I do consider my Sifu and fellow students family, in a way of course. Put it this way, if someone put down my Sifu, they would be getting visit from me, and many others, especially the way Boztepe did to Cheung.
Up until recently I didn’t know about the pants being pulled down part of it all. I guess they really wanted to make a example of him. That would have eventually made things worse for them in the end if things had gotten worse…
A simple answer to your question: The entire “film” thing with Boztepe was an edited joke. Do not be deceived by anything anyone tells you if they are attemtpting to conclude anything by this piece of trash- especially the individual(s) above-its a mere waste of time. This troll and the people behind them at Detroit Wing chun are not interested in anything else other than disparaging GM Cheung and his disciples. They clearly are attempting to discredit GM Cheung generally, and his disciple Master Redmond, specifically, as the above named individuals (named Cedic and Nelson), are competing for students in the Detroit area. This is no way to conduct one’s organization.
Please do not entertain or dignify them with your time or attention. They are the kind of individuals we all try and avoid.
Hint: Any person or people spending so much time and negative energy putting down another tells you more about themself than they do whoever they are disparaging. We regard them like ****roaches…more of an annoyance than anything legitimate.
