[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1219972]That looks like a “toe push kick” by using the “ball” of the foot instead of the “heel” of the foot as the contact point.
The “toe push kick” has much more reach than the “heel kick” (not talking about spin heel kick here). The straight line “heel kick” just seems to me a bit too short in reaching.[/QUOTE]
You’re right. I was just being contrarian.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1219979]That’s still “toe push kick”.[/QUOTE]
I wasn’t disagreeing…just thought the clip was better than a picture.
Regarding push kicks etc, I was pleasantly surprised when I did a stamping/stomping kick with the heel once in sparring when I thought my opponent was in too high a stance, and it knocked him right down on his ass. I aimed it to the centre of his chest and stamped down with the whole foot, and he fell straight down. Actually thinking about this, the guy was probably a bit shorter than me too.
I’m not sure whether I’d do it again though unless the opponent is really in too high a guard, and open for it. Someone would probably catch my leg and dump me. But it surprised me by its effectiveness at that time. A ball of the foot kick wouldn’t have been able to do this I think, and would push back rather than down.
Oh, and to keep the topic on this thread, I have never really used a head kick, at least without dropping someone’s head to a lower position first. This is partly because my old training partner was much taller than me.
I have never used an eye poke on someone either, but ban shou (slapping with the back of the fingers) works rather well when targeted at the eyes in a real situation.
[QUOTE=Sima Rong;1220023] A ball of the foot kick wouldn’t have been able to do this I think, and would push back rather than down.
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I use the teep with the ball of the foot to the body a lot..but I like to use my heel to the legs…a little safer against the shins and knees and whatnot.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1219867]Best front push kick is a “teep,” where you extend your toes and hit with the ball of the foot. It’s highly effective to the midsection and below.
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As for your back kick description, I don’t recommened kicking at anything you can’t see.[/QUOTE] You see with your eyes only? 
[QUOTE=Kellen Bassette;1219974]Here’s the full context.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxedz8dAbrw[/QUOTE]
So he’s doing basically what the girl in the first pic was doing. Swing the foot up to target. Not really a heel kick.
We get power and reach from the front heel kick by bringing the knee up to chest and stamping forward with the heel while turning the kicking side forward and jamming the hip forward. The kick has a strong linear vector, not arcing up.
It’s a fundamental TCMA kick. YKW, you don’t like it?
Easy fast combo is jab, cross, front heel kick. Do it like running into attack. The kick is part of the run, and you smash forward into his chest and continue forward with followup attacks. Easy to overrun the person that way. We like run in with low round kick after the front kick.
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We get power and reach from the front heel kick by bringing the knee up to chest and stamping forward with the heel while turning the kicking side forward and jamming the hip forward. The kick has a strong linear vector, not arcing up.
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Your description is more or less the difference between thrust kicking and snap kicking. Either style can substitute ball or heel, depending on preference and situation. Snap kick can also use the instep.
I think they all have their time and place.
[QUOTE=Kellen Bassette;1220050]Your description is more or less the difference between thrust kicking and snap kicking. Either style can substitute ball or heel, depending on preference and situation. Snap kick can also use the instep.
I think they all have their time and place.[/QUOTE]
Yep.
But Praying Mantis teaches that kick as a thrust kick. A power kick that is set up or hidden by a speed technique. And the reach is made up by the hip turn and thrust.
[QUOTE=PalmStriker;1220046]You see with your eyes only? :D[/QUOTE]
Head leads the body. Leave the no-look gimmicks to Kempo.
[QUOTE=-N-;1220047]It’s a fundamental TCMA kick. YKW, you don’t like it?[/QUOTE]
IMO, the “heel kick” is like the side kick, it’s easier to get caught on the ankle. This is the same as standing in cat stance will have less chance to be swept than standing in 7 star stance.
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/9049/caughtankle1.jpg
In my longfist system, when we have reached to the intermediate level, we start to develop our toes push kick as our bread and butter move as shown at 0.45 in the following clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLnVHNGsSno
The toes push kick has
http://imageshack.us/a/img199/3853/mayintu.jpg
I did see the old man used the heel kick to force his challenger to move back.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1220074]IMO, the “heel kick” is like the side kick, it’s easier to get caught on the ankle. This is the same as standing in cat stance will have less chance to be swept than standing in 7 star stance.[/QUOTE]
Sure, if you just look at isolated movements.
But that is like saying a cross is easy to catch or wrap than a jab. That’s why each element of a good combination sets up for the maximum advantage and minimum disadvantage of the next move.
Nobody should be standing in cat stance or seven star stance. Unless their name is Daniel-San and their teacher is Mr. Miyagi.
Purely transitional positions that last less than a tenth of a second as you are starting to kick, knee, leg trap, run in, etc. That’s why in Chinese, it is called “step” and not “stance”.
But toe kick is good too.
Your teacher’s classmate at Nan Jing Academy included front heel kick when he taught San Da.
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Purely transitional positions that last less than a tenth of a second as you are starting to kick, knee, leg trap, run in, etc. That’s why in Chinese, it is called “step” and not “stance”.
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That is an excellent insight.
As to the foot catching, I always felt the side kick is a very difficult kick to catch.
IMO the easiest kick to catch is a roundhouse, next is a front snap kick. However, if the kick is done well…there no defense…
Since when your opponent uses side kick at you, his body is turning side way. His back hand won’t be able to reach you. You only have to deal with his leading arm. When he uses front kick at you, you have to deal with both of his arms.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1220128]Since when your opponent uses side kick at you, his body is turning side way. His back hand won’t be able to reach you. You only have to deal with his leading arm. When he uses front kick at you, you have to deal with both of his arms.[/QUOTE]
That’s true, but your also less open for a counter strike. Less open, less opportunity to attack, more open, more opportunity to attack. Always a trade off.
The problem with getting your sidekick caught is that you essentially have no recourse. If a teep or roundhouse gets caught, your hips can be turned toward the opponent and you can try to clinch the neck etc to maintain balance. Sidekick gets caught and you might as well pull guard because the position of your hips makes it very hard to maintain balance long enough to counter.
When your opponent catches your side kick, he can move through your “side door” and then into your “back door”. That’s even worse than let him to enter your front door since none of your hands can reach to your back door.
A simple example is your opponent can uses hip throw (with his back touches your back) to throw you and let your body to flip backward. It’s a quite helpless situation.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1220182]When your opponent catches your side kick, he can move through your “side door” and then into your “back door”. That’s even worse than let him to enter your front door since none of your hands can reach to your back door.
A simple example is your opponent can uses hip throw (with his back touches your back) to throw you and let your body to flip backward. It’s a quite helpless situation.[/QUOTE]
Why can’t you close the door .?
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1220060]Head leads the body. Leave the no-look gimmicks to Kempo.[/QUOTE]
Backfist to face leads Bruce Lee’s backside blind in Enter the Dragon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgCwyHr7Fzs
[QUOTE=Robinhood;1220220]Why can’t you close the door .?[/QUOTE]
Because he’s got your foot.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1220269]Because he’s got your foot.[/QUOTE]
When you get your opponent’s foot, if you pull his leg into you, you will be able to pull yourself into him by the counter force. If you use your back hand to jam his leading arm elbow, wrap your leading arm around his waist, you can move into his back door smoothly.
Here are some leg catching: