[QUOTE=Iron_Eagle_76;1158118]I keep trying to quit this place, but where else can you find a forum with nachos, ninjettes, awesome trolls, STEP, and of course the philosopy that Kung Fu is dead on a Kung Fu forum. Fellow, it’s kind of like Old Milwaukee, “It doesn’t get any better than this”.[/QUOTE]
We are unique, we even get people stating that cutting the oxygen supply to the brain by putting pressure on the windpipe doesn’t work.
We’re sexy and we know it !
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1158122]We are unique, we even get people stating that cutting the oxygen supply to the brain by putting pressure on the windpipe doesn’t work.
We’re sexy and we know it !
[/QUOTE]
Hey, I’ll even let you try it on me, just to prove my point.
Of course… we must be fully oiled up and in bikinis prior. That way we can…um…accurately reflect… err… real combat, or something.
[QUOTE=Drake;1158124]Hey, I’ll even let you try it on me, just to prove my point.
Of course… we must be fully oiled up and in bikinis prior. That way we can…um…accurately reflect… err… real combat, or something. :D[/QUOTE]
No more Spartacus for you !
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1158121]Personally I have never felt that “kung fu” is a god starting art, I tend to view it more of a “finishing” thing but that’s just me.
Also, if you notice you will see the quotation marks around the “kickboxing/mma”.
There is a reason for that, think “sanda”.[/QUOTE]
Shrugs So far I think it is giving me a better foundation than my old training, only because it fits my own aims and objectives though.
Modern Sanda is a good example, while magnificent to watch just like all kickboxing/ mma, it’s hard to spot traditional footwork and patterns being used.
I simply want to compete in Sanda using traditional methods, not ones that have been cross-trained into it.
[QUOTE=Drake;1158124]Hey, I’ll even let you try it on me, just to prove my point.
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Teaching is a hard earned skill. You don’t really have to know much about the subject in order to teach it. A book, and a bit of advance study and you can teach any subject. The idea that one must be a champion fighter in order to teach is foolish. Most people will get ahead of themselves and start working students in things they shouldnt be doing. A student must know every aspect of the things he is taught, and this requires you teach everything in the sequence it belongs in.
A bad example would be to start by teaching a quick version of sil lim and then start chi sao almost immediately. Depending on the number of students and the number of hours the student spends in the kwoon, a beginner is many months away from chi sao.
certain systems of gung fu are represented by certain concepts and methods. If you go and learn another system of fighting first, you will always find fault with the new system and alter it to match up with what you have already learned, be it good or bad. You mix black and white, you get gray. Mix good and bad and you get mediocre.
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1158134]Teaching is a hard earned skill. You don’t really have to know much about the subject in order to teach it. A book, and a bit of advance study and you can teach any subject. The idea that one must be a champion fighter in order to teach is foolish. Most people will get ahead of themselves and start working students in things they shouldnt be doing. A student must know every aspect of the things he is taught, and this requires you teach everything in the sequence it belongs in.
A bad example would be to start by teaching a quick version of sil lim and then start chi sao almost immediately. Depending on the number of students and the number of hours the student spends in the kwoon, a beginner is many months away from chi sao.
certain systems of gung fu are represented by certain concepts and methods. If you go and learn another system of fighting first, you will always find fault with the new system and alter it to match up with what you have already learned, be it good or bad. You mix black and white, you get gray. Mix good and bad and you get mediocre.[/QUOTE]
Dude, a bad example would be to start teaching wing chun period !!!
Maybe i’ll start it’s own thread but for those who teach kids, how do you change your method? I’m talking 6 - 8 year olds.
I don’t teach kids, but when I did…
It’s about keeping their attention and playing games that are somewhat physically demanding for a kid.
co-ordination balance and structure are important to develop in children. When they are aware of posture and stepping etc, it will benefit them greatly as they grow into the art further.
there should not be any full contact striking against each other at all whatsoever until at the very least they are in the 16-18 yr old range.
Not only for liability concerns, but because of real physical concerns. IE: a kid is not developed, their bones are still forming and their skull is not completely sealed until at least 18 years old.
so games in the spirit of kung fu that encourage and produce co-ordination, balance and comradeship amongst them.
form is also a good place for kids to start.
For older people, it is a concern to me personally that they actually have the guts to fight. this can be read pretty quickly with light sparring, gloved up, headgear etc. You can get a look at how the person moves and feels about the situation as it is going on.
heavy bag can show good or bad structure.
mitts can show good or bad timing, reflexes and footwork if you get that in there.
Depending on where a persona is at, they could start from anywhere. But typically it’s first, develop strength and condition. When that is good or solid, move on to technique. Move that to drills, move that to sparring then build, rebuild and keep building.
by the time the law of diminishing returns kicks in, you should have yourself a pretty handy individual.
Practice on their own cannot be encouraged enough. This is where most fail. Quite frankly it takes some time before a person develops good practice habits. Basically, they really have to want to succeed to get into good habits.
That’s something you cannot turn on or off. It’s either there or it’s not. Either way that’s ok.
I still won’t teach kids. lol (mostly because they bring all their parents’ baggage with them)
I ask because my two boys are showing a lot of interest, actually one is more so than the other, and are asking me to teach them kung fu. I have started with the basics stances and moving around in them but was curious how other went about this.
[QUOTE=Brule;1158138]
Maybe i’ll start it’s own thread but for those who teach kids, how do you change your method? I’m talking 6 - 8 year olds.[/QUOTE]
Teach them a real sport.
[QUOTE=Neeros;1158126]Shrugs So far I think it is giving me a better foundation than my old training, only because it fits my own aims and objectives though.
Modern Sanda is a good example, while magnificent to watch just like all kickboxing/ mma, it’s hard to spot traditional footwork and patterns being used.
I simply want to compete in Sanda using traditional methods, not ones that have been cross-trained into it.[/QUOTE]
i feel kung fu gave me a great foundation. no matter what other martial art (judo, gjj, hapkido, fma, jeet kune do, etc) i studied afterwards, my instructors were always impressed with how fast i caught on.
thing about training, westerners seem big on categorizing things. there’s talk about different combat ranges - striking, kicking, trapping, clinching, grappling. when i learn kung fu, these things were never neatly separated, but integrated synergistically. for example a block could be an attack that could push/pull the opponent off-balance for a takedown/throw.
[QUOTE=wenshu;1158152]Teach them a real sport.[/QUOTE]
I would agree, hence the games and such that they are taught in martial schools.
A team sport would be better for them developmentally.
Training a martial art solo can leave the kid adrift in a sea of thought he shouldn’t be hampered with until he’s at least your age! lol
[QUOTE=dirtyrat;1158154]i feel kung fu gave me a great foundation. no matter what other martial art (judo, gjj, hapkido, fma, jeet kune do, etc) i studied afterwards, my instructors were always impressed with how fast i caught on.
thing about training, westerners seem big on categorizing things. there’s talk about different combat ranges - striking, kicking, trapping, clinching, grappling. when i learn kung fu, these things were never neatly separated, but integrated synergistically. for example a block could be an attack that could push/pull the opponent off-balance for a takedown/throw.[/QUOTE]
You should see what the Japanese do when it comes to pigeonholing every single tiny move you make. lol
ever done Karate? Judo?
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1158156]You should see what the Japanese do when it comes to pigeonholing every single tiny move you make. lol
ever done Karate? Judo?[/QUOTE]
karate, a bit. i felt like i was slumming it. lol. jk. i took Okinawan goju ryu actually. i saw a lot similarities to kung fu.
judo, yes. i know what you’re saying…
Karate is good.
TKD is good, too.
ANYTHING that gets a child out and interacting and getting exercise is very good.
You could be holding back the next Pele or Joe Montana by making them stand in a horse stance for 30 mins and remembering forms.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1158155]I would agree, hence the games and such that they are taught in martial schools.
A team sport would be better for them developmentally.
Training a martial art solo can leave the kid adrift in a sea of thought he shouldn’t be hampered with until he’s at least your age! lol[/QUOTE]
They both play organized soccer, so it’s not like kung fu is the only activity they are doing. It’s more like an interest or hobby which will hopefully fourish.
[QUOTE=Brule;1158220]They both play organized soccer, so it’s not like kung fu is the only activity they are doing. It’s more like an interest or hobby which will hopefully fourish.[/QUOTE]
Sofia is turning 9 and wants to do MA.
I started at 9 so I think that is a good age.
I will probably put her in Judo or TKD, not sure which, and train her at home on the bag and pads.
If I can find a MMA gym that has kids class, I will put her in that.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1158222]Sofia is turning 9 and wants to do MA.
I started at 9 so I think that is a good age.
I will probably put her in Judo or TKD, not sure which, and train her at home on the bag and pads.
If I can find a MMA gym that has kids class, I will put her in that.[/QUOTE]
I would go with judo first.
It teaches them to fall safely, and that is a skill that will take her through life.
The throws and falling will “toughen her up.” and prepare her for harder banging around later.
Throws at that age are fight enders. You drop a nine yr old on their back, and knock the wind out of them and it’s over. As a parent, you would much rather have your daughter throw someone than get sued for her kicking a kid’s teeth out.
You can train her flexibility and kicks and punches at home and later on, send her to a striking or mma school.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1158262]I would go with judo first.
It teaches them to fall safely, and that is a skill that will take her through life.
The throws and falling will “toughen her up.” and prepare her for harder banging around later.
Throws at that age are fight enders. You drop a nine yr old on their back, and knock the wind out of them and it’s over. As a parent, you would much rather have your daughter throw someone than get sued for her kicking a kid’s teeth out.
You can train her flexibility and kicks and punches at home and later on, send her to a striking or mma school.[/QUOTE]
As a former judoka I agree 
Finding one to fit our schedule, that maybe tricky…
[QUOTE=Brule;1158138]Dude, a bad example would be to start teaching wing chun period !!!
Maybe i’ll start it’s own thread but for those who teach kids, how do you change your method? I’m talking 6 - 8 year olds.[/QUOTE]
I really think the worst example would be to attempt to teach any 6-8 year old about any kind of fighting. I once seen 2 young korean kids, about 6 years old, that were both black belts in TKD. Rediculous really. On average, kids this age are not able to learn the principal concepts of such matters. They are best left at playing silly child games. 10 years of age being the absolute earliest age to start training. I also think WC would be the best option here as it is more realistic and more in line with a childs ability to move. Even adults have difficulty learning to do some of the stuff in other gung fu systems.