The Way of the Way of the Intercepting Fist.
The Way of the Intercepting Fist Way.
Eh…
It is doubtful the information BL found valuable enough to collect was original to the sources from which he gleaned the information. So to be fair to the “original” sources one would have to go back into history to unnamed and unknown sources.
In order for the information to be considered plagiarized it would have to be directly copied from a published volume. In order for the information to be BL"s all it requires is rewording.
I saw an article once that showed entite paragraphs, word for word, were taken from the two books and put into “Tao”
again, he was dead and gone when they did this, these were just his personal notes, the people responsible are his widow and the book company
Is that the green eyed monster I see in this thread. Great Sigung Lee was the most original thinker ever in the martial arts. He thought thoughts that no one else ever did, synthesized techniques in such a way to break the paradigm of the day, and if he did use an idea by someone else he extrapolated it into places that even today many are still trying to comprehend. But I guess it’s easy to attack someone who has progressed onto the next plane of reality. :mad:
The Real Original Lucky Louie
What about the Bruce Lee Books that M. Uharya authored called Bruce Lees Fighting Method the four books . are these also plagarized ?
[QUOTE=rogue;774177]Is that the green eyed monster I see in this thread. Great Sigung Lee was the most original thinker ever in the martial arts. He thought thoughts that no one else ever did, synthesized techniques in such a way to break the paradigm of the day, and if he did use an idea by someone else he extrapolated it into places that even today many are still trying to comprehend. But I guess it’s easy to attack someone who has progressed onto the next plane of reality. :mad:
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I hope this is a sarcastic post…
As stated before, Tao of JKD were simply a collection of his personal notes, and included quotes from many sources-especially Jack Dempsey’s book on boxing.People have a tendancy of taking something and running with it, such as the term “Straight Blast” which is simply a slight re-naming of what Dempsey referred to as the stiff jolt-his mainstay jab.
[QUOTE=Firehawk4;774179]What about the Bruce Lee Books that M. Uharya authored called Bruce Lees Fighting Method the four books . are these also plagarized ?[/QUOTE]
Good point, what about all these other Bruce Lee books.
example: Chinese Gung Fu: The Philosophical Art of Self Defense
Lots of pictures and such.
I would like to reiterate, this is not an attack, nor an attempt to discredit any accomplishments or deeds of Bruce Lee. I personally am a fan.
We all know the “Tao” was not his doing. Physically speaking in regards to publication.
Also, much of the work yes is from sources that cannot be actually tracked down to originators and credit given. However, what about instances such as Coach Ross points out where word for word, there is plagiarism?
Technically, it’s not plagiarism
In order for it to be plagiarism, Lee would have to present someone else’s work (Dempsey, Hoffer or whoever) and present it as his own. Lee didn’t do that. He made notes - notes that were personal and probably never meant to be published as such. I can’t imagine what people would come up with if they published my notes - it would be an unintelligible mess. It was his successors who presented them as Lee’s own. So it’s really misattribution, not plagiarism. Lee isn’t at fault here at all.
Good point on the Tao/do thing. I’m amazed I never noticed that before. How funny.
"If you steal from one source, it’s called plagerism, if you steal from alot of sources, it’s called “research!”
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I can’t imagine what people would come up with if they published my notes - it would be an unintelligible mess.
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1000 years from now, “look, he was writing in some secret code!”
“really, read it to me”
“it says 'L K F M D C , arrrgggggghhhhhhhh” 
For many BL fans it is important to learn the principles BL found valuable enough to makes notations about.
What should have been done for TofJKD was to preface it with:
These are the principles that Bruce found valuable enough to include in his personal journal and training regime. We are uncertain of the sources for these notes because he gleaned them from his numerous books on fighting arts. Anyone who can provide us with documented sources please do so in order that we may include proper citations in future printings.
[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;774218]For many BL fans it is important to learn the principles BL found valuable enough to makes notations about.
What should have been done for TofJKD was to preface it with:
These are the principles that Bruce found valuable enough to include in his personal journal and training regime. We are uncertain of the sources for these notes because he gleaned them from his numerous books on fighting arts. Anyone who can provide us with documented sources please do so in order that we may include proper citations in future printings.[/QUOTE]
Excellent point, and idea!
That’s shoddy research…
What should have happened is that the people who published Bruce Lee’s writings should have taken the time to do their own background research. It wasn’t like Lee was tapping super esoteric sources. The publishers had access to all of Lee’s notes. It would have been simple enough to get a professor of philosophy on board, along with someone fairly well read in martial arts books (it’s not like there were that many of them back then). They could have read over the material and either referenced it in the text or deleted it from the final publication.
If it was truly important for Lee’s fans and JKD people to learn this stuff, they’d go to the source just like Lee did. Sadly, most are satisfied with TofJKD as it stands since that’s a lot easier. You’d only have to crack a few books. You’d have to read a lot more to get the real story.
I herd that Bruce Lee had a library of about 3000 martial art books i think that most were in Chinese I think i read that he got alot of them from bookstore in Vancuver Canada and San Fransico and Hong Kong . He also was said to have learned some Southern Mantis and Red Boat Wing Chun from Yueng Fook in Seattle .
[QUOTE=GeneChing;774249]If it was truly important for Lee’s fans and JKD people to learn this stuff, they’d go to the source just like Lee did. Sadly, most are satisfied with TofJKD as it stands since that’s a lot easier. You’d only have to crack a few books. You’d have to read a lot more to get the real story.[/QUOTE]
We prefer to be called disciples of Lee, not fans. Why would we need to read all of that? Bruce distilled any thing of value from those books that he felt was important. It’s not that those philosophers and martial artists weren’t smart or good, but a matter that Bruce saw things with a clarity that very, very few others did and managed to create a synergism between the two.
The Real Original Lucky Louie.
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;774152]On another note, as “Tao” and “Do” are the same character (in two different dialects), the title annoys me to no end
Tao of Jeet Kune Do
“way of jeet kune way?”
way of jeet kune way of jeet kune way of jeet kune way…[/QUOTE]
But dont you get it maaan, it ENDS where it BEGINS, its, like, CIRCULAR 
Welcome to the dept of redundancy dept.
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;774353]Welcome to the dept of redundancy dept.[/QUOTE]
Don’t you mean the Department of Redundancy’s Redundancy Department?
No matter which door you enter you find yourself in the same office you entered when you entered through the door into the office!!
There is also the question of what material in the book is actually reflections and insights Bruce had written from his own mind. Of course influenced by all that he had learned, as each of us are.
How possible, or how long, is it/would it take for anyone to seperate the information from direct sources and the info that is BL original?
Going over the material in the Tao, some of it of course is going to be thoughts, concepts, ideals that have a BL twist to them if not from him directly.
At this point is it even possible to track all the sources down that BL used in his research?