[QUOTE=CYMac;1130627]Yes there is, search for Five Clow Golden Eagle fist and you will find it. That is a taiwan originated martial art lineage. . The stuff there is purely from taiwan and here is a video of me doing a double dao of the lineage’s form:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KJ5bNyjYPg[/QUOTE]
Ah hah! So this is the Southern Eagle Claw Style that no one seems to know anything about. Thanks. 
Taiwan Blood Bath
Try Google translator.
bathe in blood
yu xue
etc etc.
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Article
Anybody have a copy of this article they can share???
The Treasures of Taiwan: The Rich Martial Legacy of an Island of Controversy By Gigi Oh (with Gene Ching)
[QUOTE=Lucas;1130644]faruq:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwqI3WobyYk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3c6sBJShj4
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Yeah, the 28 second clip looks more like it than the second clip; but there’s only 28 seconds of it. The second clip looks a lot less intense than the first. Thanks Lucas.
[QUOTE=Faruq;1130472]Still no links to the Taiwan blood bath? Even on a Taiwan Kung Fu thread? I know there’s a Chinese version of youtube (isn’t it like yukuu.com or something?), but even if I go there I won’t know how to type “Taiwan Blood Bath Footage” in Chinese so I can search for the footage. Or even some articles…er, well no since they’d be in Chinese. I am disappointed…[/QUOTE]
This doesn’t look like a question to me. Dramatic, much? :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=JamesC;1130721]This doesn’t look like a question to me. Dramatic, much? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Yes, dramatic. Much. I was making a lot out of it, but I really would like the characters so I can do a search if no Chinese speakers here provide any links. Maybe I’d be better off searching the “1986 Kuoshu Tournament” title of the :28 youtube clip if I could get a Chinese translation. Looking back I indirectly suggested someone provide a link in a few threads, but never directly asked. And google translator sucks. Everytime I use that thing I end up more confused than I was with the actual Chinese! (Ok, I’m exaggerating again, but those google translations are usually quite confusing)
Come on now, Minghequan
[QUOTE=Minghequan;1130679]Anybody have a copy of this article they can share???
The Treasures of Taiwan: The Rich Martial Legacy of an Island of Controversy By Gigi Oh (with Gene Ching)[/QUOTE]
Buy the back issue. Help support the forum here. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Faruq;1130832]“1986 Kuoshu Tournament” [/QUOTE]
I dont speak either so thats what i ended up doing…but as you can see it produced very little results 
id be interested in seeing some longer footage too. those highlight reels have to come from some more in depth filming, i wish it was available…
Did you try youku.com, Lucas? I wonder who made the highlight reel? In Taiwan the kung fu seems to have been the real deal!
[QUOTE=Lucas;1130644]faruq:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwqI3WobyYk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3c6sBJShj4
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Lucas,
The first clip actually looks like it’s from China, not Taiwan. The second clip is from Taiwan.
Although I lived in Taiwan and spoke Mandarin fairly well, I’ve lost some of it since I left almost 20 years ago. And my reading was once okay but never great and now that’s downhill too, so I wouldn’t be able to navigate youku(?) or whatever, either. The one I remember clearly as being labeled the “Bloodbath in Taiwan” was the 1986 international kuo shu championship in Taiwan. I was there, and it was brutal, and there has been footage of it on youtube, but I haven’t found a lot of it. I doubt you’ll find it under “bloodbath in Taiwan.”
I haven’t seen some of the more so-called “dramatic” fights that I remember seeing in those tournaments on youtube yet. That doesn’t mean they aren’t on youtube or wherever, somewhere out there.
What do you suggest we search under?
I tried “1980s Taiwan full-contact”, “full-contact kung fu”, 1986 Taiwan kuo shu championship, etc. I’m kind of a dinosaur when it comes to computers, so I’ll have to apologize if my net-fu isn’t up to snuff.
[QUOTE=Jimbo;1131015]I tried “1980s Taiwan full-contact”, “full-contact kung fu”, 1986 Taiwan kuo shu championship, etc. I’m kind of a dinosaur when it comes to computers, so I’ll have to apologize if my net-fu isn’t up to snuff.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I think those highlights are from the 1986 Chengdu Sichuan Lei Tai Championships:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwlDwJoqbiQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7YM4vyg_yU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIOOKU6sGbk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwqI3WobyYk
Maybe I need the Chinese characters to search for that on youku. But if this is the Chengdu Lei Tai, how sick must the Taiwan Blood Bath have been!!!
My wife and I’s book, Chinese Martial Arts Training Manuals: A Historical Survey, has an entire chapter on the history of Taiwanese martial arts. It covers the situation in Taiwan starting with the late Ming (Japanese/Chinese pirate folks like Koxinga) on to such modern day Taiwanese martial artists as Andy Wang and Liu Laoshi.
As to Smith’s books—not to speak ill of the recently departed—but Smith’s view of Taiwanese martial arts was “less than accurate”. It is not his fault, it simply was who he was and the time he was there. He was white, US military, with no Taiwanese family contacts, who lived in Taiwan a short period of time, and that short period of time was right at the start of the White Terror Period, he knew nothing about the history of the island of Taiwan----all of which adds up to a very distorted view of things. In a strange but very true way, Smith never “lived” in Taiwan, he lived and worked in a white, US military enclave known as Tien Mu, and I strongly presume had zero contact with Taiwanese (I am not talking about his KMT handlers—I am talking about “real” Taiwanese and yes, I know he claimed to be tight with the Hung brothers, but that is a whole other chapter).
In any event, back on topic; you might find that chapter in my book of interest. Basically Taiwanese martial arts history falls into four phases:
The Ming/Qing dynasties
The Japanese Colonial Period
The arrival of the KMT and the White Terror Period
Modern Taiwanese martial arts
Since I have written that book I would have actually added a fifth phase which would be the most modern phase called “The Cross Strait Phase” which is the trend I notice for mainland teachers to set up schools in Taiwan. This is possible nowadays becasue of changes to the Taiwanese law allowing more cross strait exchanges.
take care,
Brian
p.s. Taiwan is a great place, tons of great people and a fair amount of martial arts talent. I really miss it.
Tong Bei or ever ready from Ma family (fan zi, ba ji, pi gua–)
they started a branch school in Taipei a few years back.
cool about cross straits period.
or both sides of the taiwan straits.
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I remember seeing people who practiced “Taiwan Chuan,” which looked to me, superficially at least, like a combination of Fukien/Fujian Crane and TKD/karate.
I had some great years with some fine people in Taiwan. I miss it, too.
Next time I go back home, I’ll look at Smith’s books again as my dad has a couple of them. I’ve been looking at Antonio Graceffo’s videos on YouTube as well as reading some of his articles. Taiwan has a lot of martial history, but seems like only the internal arts are promoted. I’ve read that even the KMT promotes taekwondo over Chinese kung fu.
I do remember reading the magazine’s TREASURES OF TAIWAN columns, which the only one I still own is Chen Yan Sen and nunchaku.
This is a good thread. Don’t let it die so soon.