Some people have digestive issues with sertain types of food. Acid reflux makes eating garlic and tomatos he
*Sigh Lycopene in Tomato was one example you can find it in other food sources lol Garlic was another example used
to describe the contrast of pills vs.natural source.
BS. They don’t usually pop pills, no, but they do suppliment. They usually use potiens, teas, and other holistic treatments…
I would say Green tea is not a supplement but considered a food or beverage.I would also say there really is no vitamin shops in Japan at least in Tokyo.Japanese use some Herbs would I call that supplements nope I would call that food.Hippocrates said “let thy food be thy medicine and let thy medicine be thy food” so it is a fine line between herbs as a classified “supplement” and a food.
Diet. I’ve had my fill of training fallacies.
What do you want to know specificly about diet its a broad catogory.
Specifics - names, dates of birth and death, would be great. I’m rather familiar with the long lives of Okinawa, but can’t pull off the top of my head names of those who exceeded 100years.
Heres the deal,Havard did a 24yr study on okinawan and found they had the highest percent of centurians.
Read the book "The Okinawa program"it list all the info on their diet and names.
Of course not. We’re not talking lycopene and garlic. I’m not sure what you’re on about
I used it as a point of reference to what is sold in vitamin stores to what you can get naturally.
Really. Again, I’d love to see specific incidencies of this in the MODERN ERA in INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS.
I just told you Tokyo is a modern city polluted dirty and is in the 21century yet the Japanese do not take supplements like we do in the states.I do not see any point mentioning actual names because you can not look them up on the net lol.
What little credibility you had just up and commited hara-kiri.
I do not see any point mentioning names because 1.you can look them up yourself
and I gave you the reference point to look up back by Harvard.2.I see no point in having give one or two people names because it is done as a census meaning
the area with the most centurians.Listing one or two names who have peaked over 100 in France does not mean the French diet is healthy,But when a majority of the population lives to be 80+ then yes the diet would be considered healthy as is backed up by this Harvard study.But for you since you seem to be rather lazy or can not use a search engine I will give you Kame Miyagi 101yrs old
Toku Oyakawa 106yrs old Tabsan 102yrs old Ushisan 101yrs old Hirosan102yrs old a couple of other names listed are in their late 90’s these few names are but a small example of longivity in Okinawa.Seeing has I have listed names Unless you can read Okinawan or speak Okinawan I do not see any point in listing names
unless you are to contact them or go to Okinawa and look at their family register
(which is required date of birth,and death so it shows how accurate the claims are)
My protein shakes never had speed in them. I feel jipped!
Mikkyou- There is more than one type of tea… There is no way to get the health benifits of garlic through food other than to actually eat it, and some people just cannot eat it… The habit of eating royal jelly is oriental and if that isn’t a supliment, I don’t know what is.
I could go one, but I won’t. You realy don’t know what you are talking about. I think you are one of those neo-yuppies who read something in some mag rag and discided to join the band wagon without doing any further research on the topic. Let me guess, you also believe in blood typing, too? :rolleyes:
[QUOTE]Mikkyou- There is more than one type of tea
Of course there is more than one type of tea lol
There is no way to get the health benifits of garlic through food other than to actually eat it, and some people just cannot eat it
Garlic in very small amount should not cause to much of a stomch irritation even those with GERD being one who suffered from Acid reflux I saw no porblem with a clove of Garlic.I know of one woman who would swallow the whole clove.
The habit of eating royal jelly is oriental and if that isn’t a supliment, I don’t know what is
Well Royal jelly is what a Queen Bee eats
so its food lol.But like I said in my previous post its a fine line between it being an actual"supplement" and it being “food”
You realy don’t know what you are talking about.
*sigh I stated sources, names, but I guess its not good enough.Please tell me exactually what I said is inaccurate I have no problem backing up anything I said and I am sure a quick Goggle search would turn up actually what I stated.
I think you are one of those neo-yuppies who read something in some mag rag and discided to join the band wagon without doing any further research on the topic.
I don’t read to many health magazine just not interested..however I do read plenty of books and I was a manager at a vitamin shop what ever thats worth. I am not sure which band wagon you are talking about I stated only what I have 1.read 2.seen or experience first hand myself.
Let me guess, you also believe in blood typing, too
No not really just someone who is interested in nutrition.
I’ve heard good things about Greens Plus. Do you guys feel it is necessary to supplement your vegetable intake or just protein? The way I see it, most people in martial arts get more than enough protein yet many, especially in North America, are lacking in their vegetable intake.
What do you mean by “blood typing?” You mean like A, AB, O, that stuff? That’s real, so I hope you’re talking about something else.
Indeed. Usually though, I’ll just blend up whatever veggies I want for the day if I won’t have time for a sit-down meal. Tastes a little like hell, but it’s good.
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. Do you guys feel it is necessary to supplement your vegetable intake or just protein?
You do not need to supplement your vegtable intake you just simply eat a variety of different vegtables.For example Dark leafy greens,Orange and Red,and white.See the Onion has what is called Allicin which is what is in Garlic and is the active ingredient in Garlic pills.
The way I see it, most people in martial arts get more than enough protein yet many, especially in North America, are lacking in their vegetable intake.
The American diet is very high in Protein,Saturarted fat,Trans fat,Soduim,and other additives(Additives are also found in supplement pills some additives like food coloring can cause cancer)Most Dietians are now saying to increase vegetable intake from 5 a day to about 9 a day.A serving is not a lot thats about a carrot or a half cup of greens easy to juice very simple to add 16servings of veggies a day.
Suck ass.
Rehash 20 year old material.
Suck ass.
Recommend .8g per kg of bodyweight.
However, I say: eat vegetables, organic vegetables, as often as you possibly can.
Recommend .8g per kg of bodyweight.
8kg of what?
a kg is about what a pound- pound an half?9serving of fruit and vegetable was the recommended dose last I heard in 2004.As for now the diet prymind(I know I spelled this wrong its late lol)Is a little different.
IN my country the daily recommended amount of vegetables and fruit is 10-15 servings. I try to eat as much of it as I can but sometimes it can be difficult to eat a variety that is why I was curious about the Greens Plus thing or if it is like protein shakes: not really worth the money and better to stick to the real thing. However, the vegetable powder seems to have some things in like herbs and other things I don’t normally eat.
Recommend .8g per kg of bodyweight
ummm… 0.8 grams of protien per kilo of bodyweight… 
Iron- Blood typing is the fad in dating in Japan and Korea. It is based on a study conducted in 1928 that wanted to know if a person’s bood type affected thier personality. Good luck getting a date in Seol if you are a man with type B blood. :rolleyes:
A little closer to home, the theory is that people with type A blood have trouble digesting red meat because thier blood is too alkiline, while people with type O can eat pretty much anything they want and type B have a lower occurence of hardening of the arteries from cholesteral… :rolleyes: The truelly scarry part of that is how many nutrisionalists are recommending this… 
Here Toby easy way to get in 200g of protein:
meal1:1 cup yogurt=10g plus 3oz soynut-30g 2serv oatmeal-8g total=48g
meal2:2cup pasta=56g served with sauce made with squash,zucchni,tomato,spinach,onion,green pepper,red pepper (7sev veggie)
meal3:1can of tuna-30g made with onion,green pepper,red pepper,carrot served on bread and kale(6more serving veggie)also served with 1 cup Edamame-16g
meal4:2 cup yogurt-20g 2oz soy nut-20g,strawberry,bannana shake
thats just 4 meals already equal 190g of protein 15servings of veggies and fruit
40% daily fiber from oatmeal.
*yogurt and soy nuts equal shakes. 2cup of pasta is an average plate of pasta.
this is not alot of food since the veggies in tuna are diced.Edamame is not filling at all so you can eat a bag of it no problem.soynuts are not very high in fat 7gserving your consuming 35gram of fat about 50% daily value
That’s all good stuff. Except the soy beans. Soy hates testosterone.
One of the big reasons many of us use protein supplementation is time: I’m up 16 hours a day, normal, healthy time. However, I’m rarely able to sit down and make something to eat. With shakes, I can get in my nutrients and get my vegetables when I sit down.
Also, some of us don’t like to eat a whole 'lot, or are allergic to some foods, or find it easier to fit proper diet into our lives with ready-to-go food.
And soy really, really sucks.
I bet you’re a hippy.
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Soy hates testosterone
Don’t worry you won’t turn into a women so how much it affects your Testosterone won’t cause any health problems.
I’m up 16 hours a day, normal, healthy time. However, I’m rarely able to sit down and make something to eat. With shakes, I can get in my nutrients and get my
You sir are either lazy or do not know how to manage your time better.All the meals I listed can be made in 10mins or less.
Also, some of us don’t like to eat a whole 'lot, or are allergic to some foods,
This diet was for someone who wished to consume 200g of protein the amount of calories on this plan is average as well so no you are not eating alot.
or find it easier to fit proper diet into our lives with ready-to-go food.
Again laziness.
And soy really, really sucks
Ya that is why it is recommended by the American Heart Asst.,the cancer society and is a rich source of flavnoid the USDA agrees it beneficial for the Cardio system.But you are right all these organziation and their research and data are wrong :rolleyes:
I bet you’re a hippy.
LOL first I was called a Yuppie which is a Hippie who sells out to become a “suit” and now I am labeled a “Hippie” I am against violence,I believe in eating correctly common to Hippocrates ideals as well Ko hung ideas as well.I think the book My medicine is making me sick is an excellent example of pills and the dangers of them.
Perhaps. However, there is research showing a relationship in soy consumption and the increase of aromatization of testosterone into estrogen. This affect is more potent in aging males; however, that gives no reason to start the process early. Do I want to remove estrogen from my body completely? No, I’m no fool. However, I would limit it’s production to necessary levels. By avoiding aromatization, I wish to reap the benefits of normal-high testosterone levels without introducing exogenous testosterone into my system.
For men, more testosterone = good, generally speaking of course.
You sir are either lazy or do not know how to manage your time better.
:rolleyes:
Shakes make up 1/2 of my diet - I eat six to seven times a day. I don’t drink more than three shakes a day. When I eat, it’s a big thing of vegetables (corn and spinach are two of my favorites) with tuna, chicken, or steak/hamburger. “Rarely sitting down and eating something,” in this instance, means not sitting down to a plate more than 3 times a day. And with six or seven meals, that sounds half reasonable.
All the meals I listed can be made in 10mins or less. This diet was for someone who wished to consume 200g of protein the amount of calories on this plan is average as well so no you are not eating alot.
Indeed. However, I like to get in ~4,000 Calories to maintain my weight.
Again laziness.
Again, :rolleyes:
Ya that is why it is recommended by the American Heart Asst.,the cancer society and is a rich source of flavnoid the USDA agrees it beneficial for the Cardio system But you are right all these organziation and their research and data are wrong :rolleyes:
Indeed.
I’m not convinced that their “findings” with regards to health and soy are untainted by the color green, specifically that coming from the companies who produce soy products.
Of course, my nutrition studies are focused entirely on athletic training (which I believe is the best way to improve anyone’s health), so I’m talking out of my ass.
LOL first I was called a Yuppie which is a Hippie who sells out to become a “suit” and now I am labeled a “Hippie” I am against violence,I believe in eating correctly common to Hippocrates ideals as well Ko hung ideas as well.I think the book My medicine is making me sick is an excellent example of pills and the dangers of them.
Hippies can wear suits.
Do you hate death metal?
Perhaps. However, there is research showing a relationship in soy consumption and the increase of aromatization of testosterone into estrogen
This may be true however getting 25g of soy protein should be safe enough to not cause this problem.-Wake Forest University
Shakes make up 1/2 of my diet - I eat six to seven times a day. I don’t drink more than three shakes a day. When I eat, it’s a big thing of vegetables (corn and spinach are two of my favorites) with tuna, chicken, or steak/hamburger. “Rarely sitting down and eating something,” in this instance, means not sitting down to a plate more than 3 times a day. And with six or seven meals, that sounds half reasonable.
so you sit down to 3-4meals right? I gave 2 of my meals as shakes and 2 meals as sitting down that was only 4 meals which equaled 200g protein,at least 6sev veggies and 40%of diet fiber.
However, I like to get in ~4,000 Calories to maintain my weight.
You should read the wonderful study about cosuming 1200-1500cal and how they actually were in a healthier state as well the studies on excess calorie intake and its effects on health.
I’m not convinced that their “findings” with regards to health and soy are untainted by the color green, specifically that coming from the companies who produce soy products.
These orgniazations are not paided off they strictly do the research.These orgnizations put their name on products proven to reduce heart risk and cancer risk.
Of course, my nutrition studies are focused entirely on athletic training (which I believe is the best way to improve anyone’s health), so I’m talking out of my ass.
My nutrition study is based on what increase life expectacy because what increases your life would be the best way to improve your health.[QUOTE]I don’t hate Death metal I perfer musicians who do not rely on heavy distrotion pedals,banging instead of playing drums,bass players who know more than 3 cords and singers who actually carry a note.Anyway I said
you can get all your protein from food I proved it.I stated who had the longest life backed it up with studies.Everything I said I backed it up.You sir are a Rabblerouser but I can see why based on your youthfulness good luck with your superior diet I am sure at 35yrs it will prove its worth.Anymore post address to me on this thread by you sir proves you are a Rabblerouser for I have proven my point and you simply wish to direct your hotheadness to me if you do not understand anything I said reread my post they are quite clear.Good luck -over with this thread
That made me laugh out loud. I’m going to have to start asking people who I suspect to be hippies that question.
You should read the wonderful study about cosuming 1200-1500cal and how they actually were in a healthier state as well the studies on excess calorie intake and its effects on health.
It’s a pretty interesting study, but I don’t think it’s been something that’s been researched enough to become widely accepted.
Hippie.
You sir are a Rabblerouser but I can see why based on your youthfulness good luck with your superior diet I am sure at 35yrs it will prove its worth.Anymore post address to me on this thread by you sir proves you are a Rabblerouser for I
Vash=rabblerouser. 
Seriously, though, mikkyou, high school debate is over. I know you miss it and all, but the whole ‘you, sir’ thing has to go.