This is some great necrothreading Eric!
8 years dead and raised from the dead!
so who are the dieties in the altar? If I remember there is often. guangong with other gods?
the image of the 3 individuals? Porbably Kwan gung andhis adopted son and attendent (the guy holding the kwan dao).
alot of people confuse them with Kwan Gung’s blood brothers Lau Bei and Jeung Fei from the 3 kingdoms novel. Lau Bei was the king so it can’t be them is if Kwan Gung is sitting.
One major error I see is the placement of dieties statues below Ancestors Photos. A big no no. The statues have to be placed above the photos, etc.
I’d strongly recommend not dabbling with the Sun Toi/Shen Tui unless you know what your getting into - religous field. If you burn incense then its a religions ceremony plain and simple.
Good point Eric. Now who’s the third deity in the altars? Is it Zhang fei? I confirm that the other one is his adoptive son. Thanks a bunch.
I don’t have one.
My sifu(s) had one.
It is a pseudo-religious item, so overtly religious folk are gonna take issue with it and apologists are going to apply secular ideas to it.
Generally speaking it houses Gwan Gung who is the house god for kung fu schools, restaurants, banks, police stations and military offices among others.
Thanks for the info Ngokfei 
[QUOTE=mig;1133808]Good point Eric. Now who’s the third deity in the altars? Is it Zhang fei? I confirm that the other one is his adoptive son. Thanks a bunch.[/QUOTE]
It is Zhang Fei’s son holding the changdao and the other is Guan Yu’s godson.
btw what is his name?and what is he holding?the royal seal maybe?
In China, all policeman worship Guan Yu, coz he is the name of righteous, and drive out all evil. All gangsters worship Guan Yu, coz he is the name of brotherhood, and drive out all betrayal. All businessmen worship Guan Yu, coz he is the name of honesty, and drive out all fraud.(from a utube post,it sez it all)
I am a big 3 kingdoms fan.
a link for info on altars etc.
[QUOTE=yeshe;1134236]It is Zhang Fei’s son holding the changdao and the other is Guan Yu’s godson.
btw what is his name?and what is he holding?the royal seal maybe?
In China, all policeman worship Guan Yu, coz he is the name of righteous, and drive out all evil. All gangsters worship Guan Yu, coz he is the name of brotherhood, and drive out all betrayal. All businessmen worship Guan Yu, coz he is the name of honesty, and drive out all fraud.(from a utube post,it sez it all)
I am a big 3 kingdoms fan.[/QUOTE]
I was not sure if Zhang fei was in the picture. I only see Guangong, Guang ping and Zhang fei however everywhere else I read they talk always about Guanggong, Liubei and Zhangfei. In those altars I see some carry the guangdao only.
the basic Image
Gun Y or Guan Gong () in the Center
Guan Ping on the left (probably holding the Generals Official Seal)
Zhou Cang on the right (the general’s Weapon bearer/holder)
(is sometimes believe to be Liao Hua )
Guan Yu and Guan Ping were captured and killed. Zhou Cang is said to have committd suicide when he heard this. Liao Hua was captured with Guan Yu & Guang Ping but was able to fake his death and escape)
Here is a simple paper that I put together for my students to explain how we view the shen tai/sun toi in our school:
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shén tái/san toi
Spirit Table
Placement of the Altar
The altar should be placed in such a way that it can be easily seen when entering the training hall and preferably in the Northwest (heaven) or Northeast (wisdom and spirituality)corner of the room. Students should bow toward the altar when entering the training area.
The Altar Proper
Altars vary greatly from school to school and can be a small temple like structure or a simple table reserved only for use as an altar. The altar serves as a memorial to the art and those who have transmitted the art from the founder to the present day.
Items Associated with the Altar
The Couplets
Framing the altar from above and both sides are three signboards. The top signboard is hung horizontally and bears the name of the school or style. Often this is written with four Chinese characters. On each side of the altar a signboard or scroll is hung vertically that bears the keyword principles of the style, motto of the style, or a poem. Each vertical signboard should have an equal number of Chinese characters.
Mirror
A large red ribbon with an attached mirror is often draped across the top front of the altar to scare away evil spirits. Alternately, a mirror can be hung inside the shrine itself.
General Guan Yu
Within the altar is a statue of the famous general, Guan Yu, who served during the Eastern Han dynasty. He is revered as the patron saint or diety of Chinese martial arts.
Genealogical Momentos
Some schools place a genealogy chart of their martial lineage within the altar. Others place photos of dead masters of their lineage. A famous saying of a past master is also not uncommon within the altar.
Three Incense Sticks placed in a Bowl of Rice
Three Joss (incense sticks) are lit and placed vertically in a bowl of rice as a tribute to either Guan Yu or a martial ancestor. If more than one ancestor is honored, each ancestor should be assigned three joss sticks which are placed in the bowl of rice. The number three symbolizes the ideas of heaven, earth and man.
Candles
Real candles or electric candles with red bulbs are used to awaken the deities enshrined within the altar.
Offerings
Schools that honor their ancestors through ancestor worship will place offerings of food and drink in or near the altar on a daily basis.
Peac o c k Feathers
Peac o c k feathers invite good luck, but when attached to the shen tai serve as a sign that the school is open to fighting challenges from outsiders.
At the beginning of each class we bow toward the altar and recite our oaths.
Here is a picture of our shen tai: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150281997279481&set=a.10150281997194481.345816.750549480&type=1&theater
combining a Diety Altar with a Ancestor Altar is a very recent development. Probably due to the limitations of space. Classically their are no less then 5 shrines/altars within a space (house, studio, etc)
One major rule that I see being violated is having the Diety Statue/image either below or on the same level with those of Ancestors. A big no no.
along the same lines as having Jesus next to Uncle Bob.
Another thing is the burning of incense excessively especialy during training, which actually can be pretty toxic if breathed in within such a confined space.
A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous and embarassing so Strongly recommend either confirming with your teacher or seeking outside information from religous organizations that can instruct you in the proper ceremonies, placement, etc.
There is a big difference from following a custom to practicing a religion.
According to Feng Sui principles, altars should be placed in the Northwest (symbol of heaven) or Northeast (symbol of wisdom and spirituality) corner of the main room.
not always especially when pertaining to certain dieties.
example.
kwan Gung/Kwan Yu is required to have their back to the east as he died facing the east.
and as regards to Fenshui its very difficult and complex with some aspects requiring readjustment on a seasonal and sometimes daily basis.
[QUOTE=ngokfei;1150055]not always especially when pertaining to certain dieties.
example.
kwan Gung/Kwan Yu is required to have their back to the east as he died facing the east.
Are we talking about these dieities?
If so why them and what they represent in the altar, purpose or belief?
Thanks,
I forgot about this thread
We ran a series on Feng Shui and altar placement in 2000: Feng Shui for Kungfu Schools By Wilson Sun. It was a four part series that only appears in print so if you want to read it, pick up the back issues.
Part 1: 2000 March
Part 2: 2000 April
Part 3: 2000 May
Part 4: 2000 June
a new site in development on the “Kung Fu Altar”
Does any of this make your hands any better?
-jo
[QUOTE=jo;1204979]Does any of this make your hands any better?
-jo[/QUOTE]
Practicing in this type of environment with the proper deities empowering you is the only way to develop the chi blast skill! It worked for me!
[QUOTE=jo;1204979]Does any of this make your hands any better?
-jo[/QUOTE]
Ha!
No…no it doesn’t. It’s a cultural trapping and doesn’t really do anything for your training or prowess.