Thank God, it’s dinner time! I am knocking off guys.
nd you are one gay and happy man.
i’d rather be happy and gay, than to ever walk a foot in your shoes. You lie, and lie and lie and lie, call others liars, but when asked to present something to prove your own claims…you skirt around the issue.
Seems a little dubious to me
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;955295]i THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY AMUSING TO SEE YOU UPSET AT THE IDEA OF JEUNG HUNG SING TEACHING CHAN HEUNG THE FAN QING FU MING, [/QUOTE]
Even if Jeung Yim showed Chan Heung stuff that he learned from someone else wouldn’t he have too much respect and loyalty to Chan Heung (since he was his Sifu) to even consider the co-founder title?
This is coming from Old China when they distinct classes and positions of individuals that more strictly. You would never be sitting level to level with your Sifu even if your surpass him.
Only in Modern day can be buddy buddy with your Sifu and even share credits where credits is due etc…
(Actually I’m not sure if modern China would still allow that.)
In any case one day as Sifu is for life man! (rough translation of the Chinese saying)
Even if Jeung Yim showed Chan Heung stuff that he learned from someone else wouldn’t he have too much respect and loyalty to Chan Heung (since he was his Sifu) to even consider the co-founder title?
look at it from this point of view…you are building a car…and you got everything accept the engine…then i come along and provide you with an engine and you take off. is it fair if you said you completely built the car knowing that i helped you and not give me credit?
additionally, chan heung was still developing his system when jeung hung sing returned. he was welcomed back, and during his visit he managed to show chan heung what he learned. as someone who is still developing his system, it isn’t impossible that chan heung saw the potential of adding in some new moves, regardless of it was from a former system. even more so since jeung hung sing learned another system altogether. it would be something different if he went back to chan heung to reteach him his own CLF based on jeung hung sing’s experience.
You would never be sitting level to level with your Sifu even if your surpass him.
not if chan heung considered jeung hung sing to be on a different level because of his achievements. i mean, jeung hung sing did say that if chan heung never helped him, he’d never have achieved what he did. But, not just that…when you are in the HUNG MUN, you are a brother… equal.
see, my sifu is hung mun, so am i, i know he is still my sifu…but in the hung mun its different. He has his position, i have mine.
In any case one day as Sifu is for life man! (rough translation of the Chinese saying)
we never denied chan heung as jeung hung sing’s sifu. just not as the primary or most influential of his 3 sifu’s.
Hello
I write in this post that hskwarriors can´t delete.
Hskwarriors´s liars 1:
“my source is transmision oral from Lau Bun”
Few year ago from web site of Dino Salvatierra:
“Jeung, Hung Sing began his fascination with Gung-Fu as a young lad, around 12 years old, when he heard of a person of who had some martial arts ability, Chan,Heung. Jeung,Hung-Sing, went to the Chan Village with his uncle pleading with the Chans to accept him to their school of Gung-Fu (THE CHAN FAMILY STYLE as it eas kwon by a this time). Unfortunately, since it was the customs then the was not accepted inmeaditly…”
Compare with the new versio.
Where is Li Yau San ?
Why Lau Bun don´t say anything about Li Yau San before the year 2007 (in dreams? like ghost?) hers disciples?
Liars, liars and liars; from hskwarrios? or from your sifu dino salvatierra? or from you sikung jew?
To be continued…
Jeung, Hung Sing began his fascination with Gung-Fu as a young lad, around 12 years old, when he heard of a person of who had some martial arts ability, Chan,Heung. Jeung,Hung-Sing, went to the Chan Village with his uncle pleading with the Chans to accept him to their school of Gung-Fu (THE CHAN FAMILY STYLE as it eas kwon by a this time). Unfortunately, since it was the customs then the was not accepted inmeaditly…"
the oral transmission was "Jeung Hung Sing learned from Chan Heung and had to leave cause he beat up chan heung’s students. Chan Heung sent him to Ching Cho. The history states that Jeung Hung Sing must have learned some gung fu prior to this because he picked up chan heung’s gung fu with ease…
When Qian Wei Fang passed down within the Hung Sing lineage, it was passed down to us as well because when Fut San re-opened, there was sooo much info about jeung hung sing people had no idea outside of Fut San. it makes sense. how would you know what’s happening in san francisco if you were from los angeles?
so, when my sifu printed that, we hadn’t confirmed the lee yau san idea. don’t get it twisted, there is alot about CLF i’ve never revealed to knowing. and since you are in the dark, you can only assume.
Why Lau Bun don´t say anything about Li Yau San before the year 2007
what are you taking about? fut san re-opened in 1998/officially in 2001…we’ve been knowing this since then…2007…lol!!!
Liars, liars and liars; from hskwarrios? or from your sifu dino salvatierra? or from you sikung jew?
you are the liar. or is your sifu a liar? and what about his sifu?
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;955321]look at it from this point of view…you are building a car…and you got everything accept the engine…then i come along and provide you with an engine and you take off. is it fair if you said you completely built the car knowing that i helped you and not give me credit?
additionally, chan heung was still developing his system when jeung hung sing returned. he was welcomed back, and during his visit he managed to show chan heung what he learned. as someone who is still developing his system, it isn’t impossible that chan heung saw the potential of adding in some new moves, regardless of it was from a former system. even more so since jeung hung sing learned another system altogether. it would be something different if he went back to chan heung to reteach him his own CLF based on jeung hung sing’s experience.
not if chan heung considered jeung hung sing to be on a different level because of his achievements. i mean, jeung hung sing did say that if chan heung never helped him, he’d never have achieved what he did. But, not just that…when you are in the HUNG MUN, you are a brother… equal.
see, my sifu is hung mun, so am i, i know he is still my sifu…but in the hung mun its different. He has his position, i have mine.[/QUOTE]
Where is the evidence specifically that Jeung Yim materials is what Chan Heung used as the “engine” of Chan Family CLF?
Keep in mind Chan Heung also learned from 3 masters and have years of experience to his own.
It was one thing to say Jeung Yim showed Chan Heung what he learned from another master, but to say (unless you got some real proof that is) Jeung Yim is the sole reason and influence for Chan Heung’s own CLF then not only does that spit in the face of his teachers but also the year’s of hard work and experience Chan Heung himself went through.
I’m sure Jeung Yim’s SiHingDai’s who also mastered the style and went off to teach prior to Jeung Yim returning with Ching Cho’s knowledge and attest to the formation of the CLF system.
So unless Chan Heung himself was so impressed with Jeung Yim and officially announced that they should be equals in this…I just can’t imagine any support.
What if Jeong Yim only provided the windshield wipers? 
Hello
hskwarriors liars 2:
“i recall a story of Wu Van Cheuk trying to push that story onto Lun Chee who told him what he could do with it…hahahahaha.”
The truth is that until sifu Wu Van Cheuk not die did not dare to invent such a story. He knew the truth, oral transmision from Chan Ngau Sing.
To be continued…
Where is the evidence specifically that Jeung Yim materials is what Chan Heung used as the “engine” of Chan Family CLF?
take a look at their later material…problem solved.
Keep in mind Chan Heung also learned from 3 masters and have years of experience to his own.
ok now what?
I’m sure Jeung Yim’s SiHingDai’s who also mastered the style and went off to teach prior to Jeung Yim returning with Ching Cho’s knowledge and attest to the formation of the CLF system.
really? how sure are you?
So unless Chan Heung himself was so impressed with Jeung Yim and officially announced that they should be equals in this…I just can’t imagine any support.
well, there you go!
What if Jeong Yim only provided the windshield wipers?
without them chan heung could wipe his windshields…
The truth is that until sifu Wu Van Cheuk not die did not dare to invent such a story. He knew the truth, oral transmision from Chan Ngau Sing.
well, he and lun chee will have to deal with that in heaven…but till then…how do you know he knew the truth?
Hello
"When Qian Wei Fang passed down within the Hung Sing lineage, it was passed down to us as well because when Fut San re-opened, there was sooo much info about jeung hung sing people had no idea outside of Fut San. it makes sense. how would you know what’s happening in san francisco if you were from los angeles?
You agree that reopened the Hung Sing Kwoon find new evidence, it is normal for you, but do not agree that opening China to the outside are new data.
You are ridiculous.
Lau Bun was not what had been his successor on the one?
Or is that no Jew Lew was ever chosen as successor by Lau Bun, but took advantage of the circumstances and his position of power to become the head of the school of Lau Bun?
I think it is finally closer to the truth for the data I have.
Or is that no Jew Lew was ever chosen as successor by Lau Bun, but took advantage of the circumstances and his position of power to become the head of the school of Lau Bun?
there was no one more qualified than sigung Jew Leong to take over Hung Sing. if there were, someone would have stepped up. additionally, Jew Leong was already teaching in Chinatown when Professor Lau Bun passed away.
Lau Bun was not what had been his successor on the one?
what? english please!!!
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;955347]take a look at their later material…problem solved.
ok now what?
really? how sure are you?
well, there you go!
without them chan heung could wipe his windshields…:p[/QUOTE]
Hey Frank,
As impressive as your argument is…I’m afraid you didn’t answer my post at all.
So their later materials (i.e. Jeung Yim’s and Chan Hueng’s lineage) looks the same or similar. Was that what you meant?
I’m no historian like yourself so I can’t say I’m sure at all. But it does seem rather likely.
Chan Heung has years of experience and plenty of materials from his previous teachers. Your version of the history makes him seem like a puppet doll with nothing to do and nothing to offer and just waiting for Jeung Yim to come and give him the CLF System.
This not only seems unlikely but very insulting. No matter what Jeung Yim contributed to CLF Chan Heung was a full fledged master prior to Jeung Yim.
So what, right? Well this suggest that no matter what Jeung Yim learned and shared with Chan Heung it is unlikely for it to change what Chan Heung himself has learned and cultivated over the decades of experience.
get off my nuts dude.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;955373]get off my nuts dude.[/QUOTE]
ha ha ha…believe me man…your nuts is one of the last places I want to be on.
I’m not trying to be difficult just joining in on the fun.
I mean I was just using common sense right? So it shouldn’t be hard to agree or disagree with?
I think this time round everyone is way more mature compared to the past. I am very impressed.
Chan Heung has years of experience and plenty of materials from his previous teachers.
and Jeung Hung Sing didn’t?
Your version of the history makes him seem like a puppet doll with nothing to do and nothing to offer and just waiting for Jeung Yim to come and give him the CLF System.
don’t put that blame on me…i’m not the only one that believes what i believe.
This not only seems unlikely but very insulting. No matter what Jeung Yim contributed to CLF Chan Heung was a full fledged master prior to Jeung Yim.
can you offer up anything to the contrary?
Well this suggest that no matter what Jeung Yim learned and shared with Chan Heung it is unlikely for it to change what Chan Heung himself has learned and cultivated over the decades of experience.
that’s all fine and dandy, but i never asked you to participate in this conversation. you butted your way in.
your nuts is one of the last places I want to be on.
well, the fact that you’d entertain the thought of being on them even if its the last thing is kinda wierd to me.
i would never be on your nuts no matter what.
I’m not trying to be difficult just joining in on the fun.
uhhhhhhh yes you are!
I think this time round everyone is way more mature compared to the past. I am very impressed.
great!