"Sport fighting"

Things are MUCH better now.

I can train Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu and western boxing at a competitive level all within a 20 minute drive from another in a single day. I can stop at a number of places and eat a nutritional meal, go to the gym and lift some weights, go home, take a nap, do some work from home, go surf, then go spar with guys ranging from Judo black belts to BJJ brown belts to professional kick boxers.

The standard is also much higher now. Where trading sidekicks to back someone up was good enough in the 80s, today you snatch that kick, take a person down and submit them, or ground and pound them. The new standard requires a larger base knowledge.

It’s awesome. There’s always new solutions being developed to commonly occurring problems. One of my favorite submissions occur when I shoot and get stuffed and the guy locks in a guillotine. I continue to force the take down, pass to side control (while he’s still squeezing the guillotine), then put all my weight on my shoulder choking him out… what was once a problem has now become an opportunity. That’s training. And I got that from NOT being content. A content martial artists is creating his own defeat.

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;964470]seriously, this idea that the ancients were better is absurd. We are humans, we grow and develop and become more than what we were with each uninterupted generation.[/quote]imagine living in a world several thousand years ago without ipods, street cars, shopping malls, video games, and other forms of distraction… imagine a world where you chopped down the trees yourself and built your house from the ground up, imagine where if one dedicated their life to a system of how easy it would be to focus on nothing else?? before this “modern era”, mankind was forced thru his circumstancial enviroment to be a hardier, sturdier breed of human. by todays standards the ancients were far superiour… it’s easy to take for granted the world we live in with all it’s creature comforts that cut out physical labour… 60% of americans are obese, this speaks more than just people being overly lazy and mentally incapacitated… and just as we can grow and learn, we can also regress and become ignorant. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=uki;964489]imagine living in a world several thousand years ago without ipods, street cars, shopping malls, video games, and other forms of distraction… imagine a world where you chopped down the trees yourself and built your house from the ground up, imagine where if one dedicated their life to a system of how easy it would be to focus on nothing else?? before this “modern era”, mankind was forced thru his circumstancial enviroment to be a hardier, sturdier breed of human. by todays standards the ancients were far superiour… it’s easy to take for granted the world we live in with all it’s creature comforts that cut out physical labour… 60% of americans are obese, this speaks more than just people being overly lazy and mentally incapacitated… and just as we can grow and learn, we can also regress and become ignorant. :)[/QUOTE]

You don’t study much history, do you?

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;964495]You don’t study much history, do you?[/QUOTE]

I don’t think he has finished school yet… either that or he is very special

we all fear the unknown at some point in the journey.

Not unknown to me thank you. I know exactly where I stand. Ignorance on your part does not constitute such on mine.

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Originally Posted by Dragonzbane76
wow just wow. delusional to say the very least.

delusional only from your perspective perhaps…

A perspective that’s tried and true.

What u stated about not using a resistant opponent and having a revelation as to the true understanding of fighting is farce.

your welcome to your opinion and I have no knowledge of your background but from your statements one has to conclude in opposition to your agrument.

anyways, good luck with that again, dragons tend to have great luck as well :slight_smile: thru cunning means.

[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;964447]wow just wow. delusional to say the very least. Good luck with that.

And what “said” systema did you say you were in? So I can stay far far away from it.[/QUOTE]

wow just wow. delusional to say the very least. Good luck with that.

And what “said” systema did you say you were in? So I can stay far far away from it. :stuck_out_tongue:

[QUOTE=Frost;964430]they may have had made wild challenges in the magazines that changed all the time ill not dispute that (Ronion is an idiot after all), but by the same token they never turned away a challenger who turned up at one of their schools or seminars, witness all the challenges at Gracie Torrance, hell didn’t one of the smaller cousins accept a fight with a pro fighter once after a grappling seminar he gave, he lost to a guy much bigger than him but he fought.

Pro Japanese fighter Anjoh turned up at Ricksons School with the Japanese media in toe and demanded a fight and got one, although afterwards I bet he wished he had not bothered

You have got to respect that, how many teachers do you know who will take on all challengers?[/QUOTE]

not many i admit it does take guts even though a big majority of the people showing up are going to be scrubs theres always the possibilty some one may walk in an mop the floor with you lol

however by biggest disdain for the gracies comes because of their egotistical bragging that went along with their challenge matches

theres no need to go running around proclaiming your style is the best and is all a person needs to defend themselves when your slapping around some crack pot from the local mcdojo

thankfully karma came in the form of matt hughes for the gracies

:smiley:

sanda + loud funny music = muay thai
???

how come thais get to play loud music for muay thai and hit pots? we should do that for sanda tournaments too it would be so cool

[QUOTE=bawang;964616]sanda + loud funny music = muay thai
???

how come thais get to play loud music for muay thai and hit pots? we should do that for sanda tournaments too it would be so cool[/QUOTE]

well, there’s always the whole lion dance music team to play. :stuck_out_tongue:

lion dance music is the manliest music ever. when i hear it i start going berzerk and smash a watermelon
i am serious. when you hear that drumming yo just want to start having a seisure and have foam come out of your mouth and you see red and I AM GUANYU THE GOD OF WAR RARARAR

mma doesnt have loud music with trumpets and banging pots
and you dont get to invite spirits into your body and wear magic bracelets

when mma has spirit possession and loud annoying pots banging i quit kung fu forever

[QUOTE=bawang;964678]

when mma has spirit possession and loud annoying pots banging i quit kung fu forever[/QUOTE]

and bracelets. Let’s not forget the bracelets.
That’s really what kept me out of going into the cage all these years. Once I heard no bracelets, I said,“That’s it. No fukin deal.”
well, that, and being 52, and not wanting to get all hurt n’all…

i agree. i think they ban magic amulets because they give unfair advantage.
i dont blame them. slap a few daoist sticky papers on me and i can submit rampage jackson

if you want sports fighting to be realistic let both guys take a crack cocaine or pcp before the fight. then the fights get exciting instead of erotic touching each other

hi, ray pina
if you think you are a warrior then ok cool. i dont think im a warrior.

personally i think tamil tigers are warriors. the navy seals are warriors.
my grandfather fought in war against japanese as a commando with 2 german pistols in each hand(germans allied with china before the war). hes a warrior. im not a warrior.
a worlf war 2 canadian veteran told me he saw germans cut off breats from women in france and throw them in a pile. he found a german who surrendered and shot him in the head with a magnum. he and the german are warriors. im not a warrior.

on google video you can find a documentary of the history of excutions. if you can do that to a man then youre a real warrior. im not a warrior.
i dont think anybody living in big cities has actually killed anything bigger than a mosquito

its easy to look down on people who suck compared to you. especially in kung fu. i think its better to compare yourself to people who are better than you.

yes things need to change. but if you abandon kung fu and let bad people stay then things will never change.

you know why kung fu is bad? the lure of easy money after the bruce lee movies. stop teaching for greed stop teaching your little dragon programs and black sash tests , stop teaching old people, beat your students like a red head step child and kung fu will be better

[QUOTE=goju;964527]not many i admit it does take guts even though a big majority of the people showing up are going to be scrubs theres always the possibilty some one may walk in an mop the floor with you lol

however by biggest disdain for the gracies comes because of their egotistical bragging that went along with their challenge matches

theres no need to go running around proclaiming your style is the best and is all a person needs to defend themselves when your slapping around some crack pot from the local mcdojo

thankfully karma came in the form of matt hughes for the gracies

:D[/QUOTE]

egoistical bragging LAMO! , every instructor of every kung fu/ karate style I have ever met said their style was the best superior to the others etc, the difference was the Gracie’s actually manned up and proved the effectiveness of their art whilst everyone else was blowing hot air, if you have distain for them what do you think of all those instructors?!

They could not control the people who showed up, some where fighters or instructors that thought they could fight, no one ever came out and said they were turned away from the Gracie schools, as I said Rickson accepted a challenge from one of the best fighters in Japan when he arrived at his school.

Royce put himself on the line against the best fighter of the day and lost, how can you hate on him for that?

one moment you say all kung fu sucks then next you say a lot of moderators on your website do kung fu and are good. im confused:confused::confused:

when people made a thread asking how many hours do they train and many people said they train 1 hour to 4 hours a week i stopped reading your website forums

also there was a guy that made a lot of comics making fun of traditional martial arts then it turned out he did taekwando and couldnt fight at all am i rite?

also i thought you were amazing 200 pound bas rutten clone then i saw your fight and you were flabby guy and lost really fast why all the big talk? are you really that proud because you can beat up a 100 pound kung fu fantasy guy? lol

bawang, you’re confusing a warrior with a soldier of war. I have a good friend goig through chemo right now. She’s a warrior.

if u dont go to war how can u be a warrior
i dont understand how ur friend is a warrior she is a cancer patient

[QUOTE=bawang;964695]one moment you say all kung fu sucks then next you say a lot of moderators on your website do kung fu and are good. im confused:confused::confused:

when people made a thread asking how many hours do they train and many people said they train 1 hour to 4 hours a week i stopped reading your website forums

also there was a guy that made a lot of comics making fun of traditional martial arts then it turned out he did taekwando and couldnt fight at all am i rite?

also i thought you were amazing 200 pound bas rutten clone then i saw your fight and you were flabby guy and lost really fast why all the big talk? are you really that proud because you can beat up a 100 pound kung fu fantasy guy? lol[/QUOTE]

I’m not going to speak for anyone here, but I believe the point that is trying to be made is that in the past, several instructors of TMA made outlandish claims of the superiority of their styles. When the Gracies came on the scene, rather than just making the claims, they backed them up by accepting challenge matches and beating their opponents. You may not like the Gracies, and many do not. However, the impact they have had on martial arts can not be argued. As for the back and forth banter regarding Kung Fu, all I can say is it is what it is. Probably the best example I can give is that fact that in combat sports circles, Muay Thai is usually the striking art of choice. Why? Mostly due to the training methods involved. Having studied both arts, I can tell you at least in my style of Kung Fu, everything found in Muay Thai I had in Kung Fu. The difference were training methods. This is in no way to insult my Kung Fu, but things can be modified and methods can be improved as to gain the results that make someone better at their art and as a fighter in general. Stagnation is what is the destruction of a martial art, and for far too long many Kung Fu styles have remained stagnant and unwilling to change their training methods. So, my fellow Kung Fu gurus, rather than doing forms, work focus mitts or Thai mitts. Rather than doing compliant two man drills, practice clinch work, locks, and throws where your training partner actually resists. And above all else, rather than playing tag and point sparring or pulling techniques or no hitting the head or whatever other garbage play fighting, put on your head gear, boxing gloves or MMA glove, shin guards, groin cup, and spar to where you actually feel when someone hits you. And before I get flamed by one side saying I spar like this already, this is not for you. Before I get flamed from the side that say blah, blah, this is not productive it is not the deadly street fighting, it is bad for you, my name is Uki and you will feel my wrath, why not just try and see what I am saying. If you think I am full of sh**t afterwards, fine. But this argument can only be settled when both sides try both ways and decide for themselves which is better.

Warrior - some one who fights in a war
Soldier - someone who is part of a military team or unit
Fighter- someone who fights.

I know people like to play it fast and loose with what words mean, but this is a MA forum, the least we can do is be true to the original meanings of the words.