Some Media Player clips to watch

Found this site the other day, have no idea what lineage this is from, but there’s a page of Wing Chun one-step sparring clips.

http://www.wingchun-gruppe-nec.de/video.htm

We practise a similar method of one-step (and two, three, four-step) sparring, though we try to keep it as simple as possible. We tend to not use as many knee techniques (though I like them).

Duncan

Looks like the WT guys (could be wrong??)

I liked the start of the second one, nice and simple tan da, but then instead of powering through with a few solid hits, he has to grab and knee him and take him down and all sorts of fancy stuff.

I suppose that is the point of demo clips to show all the fancy stuff you can do. If you just whacked the guy and he dropped, it wouldnt be as “cool”.

The rest are interesting, quite different from way we are taught.

Still, props to them for posting online, very few schools bother to do that. Mine certainly doesnt :wink:

Frankness

Yep, I’m always asking my sifu to post some clips on the site.

This site, www.wingchun.hk.com has some interesting mpegs too, and lots of them!

I think they are of WSL lineage, so maybe this looks more like your training?

I was interested to see the low bong sau, almost like our lan sau, but good clips.

Duncan

Re: Ng Hong site

Doesnt look a great deal like our training, but there could be a million reasons for that, not least the fact that Ng Hong had three teachers so WSL would only perhaps only be part of the influence on his teaching.

The bong actually looks a bit different, but this could be the individual concerned trying different things, or simply making mistakes. Or they could just do it in a different way. There are more ways to do a bong than we could possibly imagine. :wink:

They seemed to have a nice flow, they seem quite relaxed.

There were some mpegs they posted on there a while back which were much better in my opinion, a lot more flowing.

I have Media Player (on Mac OSX on 8M ADSL…): why do I get a text file when I click the vids in the first link?

Love the Ng ones, seen them before…

Ahhh, it’s OK if I download them…

With due respect, I have never been much impressed with demos no matter how impressive they are. After all, it could have been the n’th takes before they got it right. I don’t think anyone would believe for a second that Chow Yun Fat can fight despite his fight scenes in the Couching Tiger… film.

I think it is very brave of Sifu Ng to openly show training clips of his students, but if I have students that can fight like that without rehearsal, I too would show it openly. Yeah, there are mistakes, but who hasn’t. It is how these mistakes can be rectified and regain the situation/centreline/structrure that is important.

B&B, we do the bong sau the same way too. From the clips, I think you can see that it works. Lan sau has the forearm parallel, but the bong has the wrist lower than the elbow and has different energy distribution in the arm to the Lan.

SLC

Hi saulauchung

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve nothing but respect for Sifu Ng AND for his students. Like you say, it’s a brave man that puts up student footage on a website.

My comment with regards the low bong sau is because I’m taught to keep the elbow at about my ear height (at least above the shoulder) and the wrist lower than the elbow when practising the Bong/Lap drill.

Because of this our punch in the drill is at chin height. They seem to punch low and bong low, and while they seem very relaxed, don’t seem to have much energy in the punch. I guess this is just a different way of doing it (which is cool as far as I can see).

As Frank Exchange says, they seem to have good flow… better than mine :slight_smile:

If you don’t mind me asking, where do you train in London?

Cheers,

Duncan

I checked out that wingchun.hk.com link. What would you guys say they could do better then they are now?

Duncan, I didn’t imply you showed disrespect. Conversely. I admire you for your honestly that have been shown in you post.

I can’t realy comment on how your bong sau is done as different lineages do things differently. However, bong sau exists in many forms, and one of them is the low bong sau found in the second form. The lap sau drill that they do also has their punches to the chin height, but because in actual sparring, it is common to punch over bridge so as to destroy that bridge. This is why the wing chun punch can hit as well as defend. Hence the kuen kuit.

There are so many variations that it is almost impossible to settle which is right or wrong (or better) simply by discussing. If you’re able to show what you do works, but not by demos, then that’s worth a thousand words. In Sifu Ng’s website, there are little text and many clips. Maybe this is the way ahead if you really believe what you have is genuine. Compare the sparring scenes of Sifu Ng’s to that of the VTAA video (save those not included in the final cut) and, well, let just say I eagerly awaits Sifu’s Ng’s video (if there’s one).

I train in the South London area. My sifu teaches privately as he has his own business. Luckily there are still a few gems hidden out there and I’ve been fortunate enough to find one.

Red5, can you elaborate more; I coundn’t quite understand.

SLC